SS-Brif. Karl Bock

Max Williams · Post by **Max Williams** » 16 Mar 2004 15:45

This photo is captioned as SS-Brigadeführer Karl Bock. Has anyone got a photo of him in SS uniform please?
Thanks,
Max

Phil Nix · Post by **Phil Nix** » 17 Mar 2004 11:54

Here is Karl Bock from the BDC file, there is also one in Andrew Mollo's pictorial History of the SS
Philmil

Max Williams · Post by **Max Williams** » 17 Mar 2004 12:07

Definitely the same man. Thank you Phil.
Max

FANGIO · Post by **FANGIO** » 17 Mar 2004 15:41

Hi Max & Phil!
Why is Karl Bock wearing a Heer uniform in the first pic? Did he fight first in the Heer and later became an SS officer?
Best regards.

FANGIO

Max Williams · Post by **Max Williams** » 17 Mar 2004 15:48

Fangio,
No. He was first a member of the SS (20 Nov 1930) and then Heer. Infanterie Reg. 42 and then Inf. Reg. 97 der 46 Inf. Div. He was Hauptmann d. Res. and was KIA 20 Jan 1943 in Westkaukasus. He was posthumously promoted to Major d. Res.
SS-Brigadeführer (1943) mit Wirkung zum 21 Dec 1942.
Max

thomas · Post by **thomas** » 17 Mar 2004 16:37

Dear all

Does anbody knows what he did in the SS ??

Any information would be highly appreciated

Greetings

thomas

FANGIO · Post by **FANGIO** » 17 Mar 2004 16:54

Many thanks for the info Max.
Best regards.

FANGIO

Max Williams · Post by **Max Williams** » 17 Mar 2004 17:17

NSDAP no. 411630
SS no. 8569
Dip. Ing.
01.1932 SS-Truppführer
03.1932 Führer des Sturms 5 der SS-Standatre 32
21.03.1932 SS-Ustuf.
20.04.33 SS-Stubaf.
09.11.33 SS-O'Stubaf.
15.02.34 SS-Staf.
09.11.33 - 07.05.34 Führer der 62 SS-Standarte
(1934) Sturmbann III der SS-Standarte 1 der SS-VT
26.10.34 - 15.02.35 Stabsführer des SS-Oberabschnitts Südost
15.02.35 - 01.07.38 Führer des SS-Abschnitts XXVIII
15.09.35 SS-Oberf.
01.07.38 - 01.01.39 Stabsführer SS-Obersabschnitts Nordsee
01.01.39 - 29.01.43 Führer des SS-Abschnitts XX
21.12.42 SS-Brig.
Max

Max Williams · Post by **Max Williams** » 17 Mar 2004 17:36

philmil wrote:Here is Karl Bock from the BDC file, there is also one in Andrew Mollo's pictorial History of the SS
Philmil

Phil,
I've looked in the index of Mollo's Pictorial History of the SS and can't find him. What is the picture number please?
Thanks,
Max

Phil Nix · Post by **Phil Nix** » 18 Mar 2004 10:45

Max History wrote:
philmil wrote:Here is Karl Bock from the BDC file, there is also one in Andrew Mollo's pictorial History of the SS
Philmil
Phil,
I've looked in the index of Mollo's Pictorial History of the SS and can't find him. What is the picture number please?
Thanks,
Max

Sorry abouit that I would have quoted the page Nr but I could find my copy. I have it now page 64 Bock on the right. Fritz Wachtler behind Hitler, Ruckdeschel on Wachtlers right. SA leader is Georg Helfer and the big man is Wilhelm Bruckner.
Philmil

thomas · Post by **thomas** » 18 Mar 2004 13:44

Dear Max History

Thank you very much for your additionnal informations.

Greetings

thomas

Dieter Zinke · Post by **Dieter Zinke** » 18 Mar 2004 16:10

Hi Max,
here some supplements and the same pic as Knight's Cross holder (03.05.1942)

Karl Bock, SS-Brigadeführer, Major der Reserve,

geb. 09.11.1899 Legelslust bei Kehl am Rhein,
gest. 20.01.1943 Ssamursskaja (Westkaukasus).

00.08.1918 Unteroffizier und Offiziersaspirant
04.01.1932 SS-Truppführer (entspricht dem späteren SS-Oberscharführer)
21.03.1932 SS-Sturmführer
20.04.1933 SS-Sturmbannführer
09.11.1933 SS-Obersturmbannführer
15.02.1934 SS-Standartenführer
15.09.1935 SS-Oberführer
01.05.1936 Leutnant der Reserve
01.10.1939 Oberleutnant der Reserve
09.12.1941 Hauptmann der Reserve (RDA 01.10.1941, Ordnungs-Nr. dazu erst 15.01.1942)
22.06.1942 Hauptmann der Reserve (RDA-Verbesserung auf 01.10.1940)
21.12.1941 SS-Brigadeführer
27.03.1943 Major der Reserve (mit Wirkung vom 01.01.1943)

00.07.1917 im Ersatz-Bataillon 1. Badisches Leib-Grenadier-Regiment Nr. 109
00.02.1918 - 30.09.1918 zur Stammeinheit ins Feld, dann zur Minenwerfer-Kp 19, zuletzt beim Oldenburgischen Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 91
30.09.1918 - 00.02.1920 in französischer Kriegsgefangenschaft
00.06.1923 - 00.11.1923 in der NSDAP
00.07.1923 - 00.10.1923 in Berlin bei der Schwarzen Reichswehr
00.00.1926 Diplom-Ingenieur
00.00.1930 im Sommer Wiedereintritt in die NSDAP
20.11.1930 SS-Mitglied
00.11.1930 - 00.11.1933 in 32. SS-Standarte “Baden“, Karlsruhe, ab 08.1933 in Heidelberg
00.03.1932 - 00.09.1932 Führer 5. Sturm / II. Sturmbann / 32. SS-Standarte
00.10.1932 - 00.10.1933 Führer II. Sturmbann / 32. SS-Standarte
09.11.1933 - 07.05.1934 Führer 32. Standarte “Baden“, Heidelberg
07.05.1934 - 00.10.1934 bei den Politischen Bereitschaften (Vorläufer der SS-Verfügungstruppe) in Württemberg
26.10.1934 - 15.02.1935 Stabsführer SS-Oberabschnitt “Südost“, Wehrkreis VIII, Brieg
00.00.1935 Übung in MG-Kompanie im IR 21 (jetzt 42)
15.02.1935 - 01.07.1938 Führer SS-Abschnitt XXVIII , Bayreuth
10.04.1938 erfolglos vorgeschlagen für die Wahl des Großdeutschen Reichstages
01.07.1938 - 01.01.1939 Stabsführer SS-Oberabschnitt “Nordwest“, Hamburg-Altona
15.09.1938 - 24.10.1938 Übung im IR 42, Hof
15.09.1938 - 29.01.1943 in 12. / Infanterie-Regiment 97; Führer, dann Komandeur III. / Infanterie-Regiment 97 der 46. Infanterie-Division
00.11.1939-20.01.1943 Führer SS-Abschnitt XX , Kiel

Best
Oberstab

WTW26 · Post by **WTW26** » 18 Mar 2004 16:39

Why doesn't he have the RK on the first photo? Which one is original?
And one more question: in SS-DAL vom 20.04.1942 he's listed as Oberfuehrer, so he couldn't have been promoted Brigadefuehrer in 1941. Are you sure this promotion ever took place?

Max Williams · Post by **Max Williams** » 18 Mar 2004 21:55

If you read my earlier notes, I have him promoted to SS-Brig. in 1943 with effect from 21 December 1942. Maybe Oberstab has got the date wrong or vice versa. As for the photograph, it is obvious the RK has been added in the second image. This was common practice.
Max

Phil Nix · Post by **Phil Nix** » 19 Mar 2004 11:04

Bock was promoted Brigadeführer Nachtraglich (posthumously).
Philmil