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Post by johnwilliamhunter » 10 Mar 2004 13:42

Hi,

Here is the company level OOB for March I have made, I'm sure there are errors in it, the main source is the Kriegsgliederung dated 5.3.45.

I would appreciate anyone pointing out errors, especially company names/numbers. Hopefully with everyones knowledge a more detailed and correct OOB can be constructed. I believe that is what this topic is for.

Leibstandarte OOB March 1945

1. SS-Panzer-Division “LSSAH”

Divisions-Stab

Divisions-Kartenstelle
Divisions-Sicherungskompanie
Feldgendarmeriekompanie (5 Züge)

SS-Panzer-Regiment 1

Stab und Regiments-Einheiten

Stab
Stabskompanie
Panzer-Pionierkompanie (Gepanzert)
Panzer-Werkstattkompanie

I. Abteilung

Stab
Stabskompanie
1. Panzerkompanie
2. Panzerkompanie
6. Panzerkompanie
7. Panzerkompanie
Versorgungskompanie

Schwere SS-Panzer-Abteilung 501

Stab
Stabskompanie
1. Panzerkompanie
2. Panzerkompanie
3. Panzerkompanie
Versorgungskompanie

SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment 1

Stab und Regiments-Einheiten

Stab
Stabskompanie
13. Infanteriegeschützkompanie (Selbsfahrlafette)
14. Flakkompanie
15. Pionierkompanie

I. Bataillon

Stab
1. Panzergrenadierkompanie
2. Panzergrenadierkompanie
3. Panzergrenadierkompanie
4. schwere-Panzergrenadierkompanie
Versorgungskompanie

II. Bataillon

Stab
5. Panzergrenadierkompanie
6. Panzergrenadierkompanie
7. Panzergrenadierkompanie
8. schwere-Panzergrenadierkompanie
Versorgungskompanie

III. Bataillon

Stab
9. Panzergrenadierkompanie
10. Panzergrenadierkompanie
11. Panzergrenadierkompanie
12. schwere-Panzergrenadierkompanie
Versorgungskompanie

SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment 2

Stab und Regiments-Einheiten

Stab (Gepanzert)
Stabskompanie (Gepanzert)
13. Infanteriegeschützkompanie
14. Flakkompanie
15. Pionierkompanie

I. Bataillon

Stab
1. Panzergrenadierkompanie
2. Panzergrenadierkompanie
3. Panzergrenadierkompanie
4. schwere-Panzergrenadierkompanie
Versorgungskompanie

II. Bataillon

Stab
5. Panzergrenadierkompanie
6. Panzergrenadierkompanie
7. Panzergrenadierkompanie
8. schwere-Panzergrenadierkompanie
Versorgungskompanie

III. Bataillon (Gepanzert)

Stab
9. Panzergrenadierkompanie
10. Panzergrenadierkompanie
11. Panzergrenadierkompanie
12. schwere-Panzergrenadierkompanie
Versorgungskompanie

SS-Panzer-Aufklärungsabteilung 1

Stab
Stabskompanie
1. Panzerspähwagonkompanie
2. Aufklärungskompanie (Gepanzert)
3. Aufklärungskompanie
4. Aufklärungskompanie (Gepanzert)
Versorgungskompanie

SS-Panzerjäger Abteilung 1

Stab
Stabskompanie
1. Panzerjägerkompanie
2. Panzerjägerkompanie
3. Panzerjägerkompanie
Versorgungskompanie

SS-Panzer-Artillerie-Regiment 1

Stab und Regiments-Einheiten

Stab
Stabsbatterie

I. Abteilung (Selbsfahrlafette)

Stab
Stabsbatterie
1. Batterie
2. Batterie
3. Batterie

II. Abteilung

Stab
Stabsbatterie
4. Batterie
5. Batterie
6. Batterie

IV. Abteilung

Stab
Stabsbatterie
10. Batterie
11. Batterie
12. Batterie

SS-Werfer-Abteilung 1

Stab
Stabsbatterie
1. Batterie
2. Batterie
4. Batterie
Versorgungskompanie

SS-Flak-Abteilung 1

Stab
Stabsbatterie
1. Batterie 8.8cm
2. Batterie 8.8cm
3. Batterie 8.8cm
4. Batterie 3.7cm
5. Batterie 3.7cm

SS-Panzer-Pionier-Bataillon 1

Stab
Stabs und Versorgungskompanie (Gepanzert)
Erkundungskompanie (Gepanzert)
1. Pionierkompanie
2. Pionierkompanie
3. Pionierkompanie
leichte-Panzerbrükenkolonne

SS-Panzer-Nachrichten-Abteilung 1

Stab
1. Fernsprecherkompanie
2. Funkkompanie
Versorgungskompanie

SS-Panzer-Divisions-Nachschubtruppen 1

Stab
Stabskompanie
1. Kraftwagonkompanie
2. Kraftwagonkompanie
3. Kraftwagonkompanie
4. Kraftwagonkompanie
Nachschubkompanie
SS Waffen-Werkstattkompanie

SS-Panzer-Instandsetzungs-Abteilung 1

Stab
1. Werkstattkompanie
2. Werkstattkompanie
3. Werkstattkompanie
4. Ersatzteilkompanie

SS-Verwaltungstruppen-Abteilung 1

Stab
SS Bäckereikompanie
SS Schlächtereikompanie
SS Verpflegungsampt
Feldpostampt

SS-Sanitäts-Abteilung 1

1. SS Sanitätskompanie
2. SS Sanitätskompanie
Krankenkraftwagonkompanie

John.

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Post by johnwilliamhunter » 15 Mar 2004 03:21

Hi,

Is this topic dead? or just dormant?

John.

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Post by Dan Reinbold » 15 Mar 2004 03:24

It is still alive...especially after that wealth of info you provided John...

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Post by Wolfkin » 15 Mar 2004 07:08

Hello!

Yes, this topic is far from dead, just going through a dry spell! This is the calm before the storm, so to speak! Been really busy with work and such, will add some more as I get time. By the way, excellent OOB John!

Cheers,

Wolfkin

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Post by Beau sabreur » 19 Mar 2004 23:36

Tolga Alkan wrote:
Wolfkin wrote:Hey Tolga! That is a very interesting quote from Barkmann! I never knew that a Panzerkompanie of Das Reich was with the Leibstandarte during this time! Very interesting! Thanks for posting that information!


Yes,this is the very interesting fact,a split battle of Panzer Regiments "Das Reich" and "LSSAH".I only know that battles near Vienna they fought together.Maybe they did it in Kursk,i don't know details.Fedorowicz published a book titled,"Drama Between Budapest and Vienna, The Final Fighting of the 6. Panzer-Armee" by Georg Maier.Its so expensive for me at the moment, $135.I hope to get it:)

Best
Tolga



While corresponding with Ernst Barkmann, he told me about the battle in Hungary, 1945 south of the Plattensee when his Panthers covered Jochen Peiper's retreat to the Vienna Woods. He remembers Peiper as one of the greatest commanders of the Waffen SS and a friend he will never forget. He said he remained a good comrade until the last day of his life. He told me he met J. Peiper again in 1959 during an old comrade meeting at the "Walhalla" in Regensburg, and that was the last time he saw him.
Cheers!

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Post by Bob_Mackenzie » 20 Mar 2004 11:00

Gents

Pg 85 of Zhukov on the Oder by Le Tissier says "On their way [303rd Fus Bttn] they had passed some tanks of the Muchenburg Pz Div in Golzow and a Battalion of *Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler* which ad been sent to reinforce that division, about to take up possitions on the flanks of the [Kustrin] corridor"

This takes place on the night of the 19-20th March 1945

Anybody have any idea which battalion of LSSAH this was?

Cheers

Bob

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Post by Timo » 20 Mar 2004 11:39

SS-Panzergrenadier-Ausbildungs-und-Ersatz-Batallion 1 LSSAH, commanded by Stubaf. Wolfgang Späth (SS-Nr.: 365 182), was assigned to Muncheberg on 06.03.1945

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Post by Bob_Mackenzie » 20 Mar 2004 21:45

Timo Worst wrote:SS-Panzergrenadier-Ausbildungs-und-Ersatz-Batallion 1 LSSAH, commanded by Stubaf. Wolfgang Späth (SS-Nr.: 365 182), was assigned to Muncheberg on 06.03.1945


Fantastic! :D

Do we know anything about its strength & equipment?

Thanks

Bob

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Post by Timo » 20 Mar 2004 22:35

SS-Panzergrenadier-Ausbildungs-und-Ersatz-Batallion 1 LSSAH formed the II. Batallion of Panzergrenadier-Regiment 'Muncheberg'

II./Panzergrenadier-Regiment 'Muncheberg'
- Stabskompanie
- 4. Panzergrenadier-Kompanie
- 5. Panzergrenadier-Kompanie
- 6. Panzergrenadier-Kompanie
- Versorgungskompanie.

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Post by Bob_Mackenzie » 21 Mar 2004 09:36

Thank you

I note no Schwere Kompanie

Did the name change take place on the day the battalion was assigned to the Division?

Cheers

Bob

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Post by Michi » 21 Mar 2004 10:48

@ Timo,

it's not correct that the
SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Ausbildungs- & Ersatz-Bataillon 1 „LSSAH“
formed the
II./Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment „Müncheberg“

Correct is:
a battalion of the mentioned training & replacement battalion was attached to the Panzer-Division „Müncheberg“

I know it's a little bit complicated
( a battalion of a battalion )


The solution comes with the next post.



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Post by Michi » 21 Mar 2004 10:56

In face of the Russian advance into the direction of Berlin, the
SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Ausbildungs- & Ersatz-Bataillon 1 „LSSAH“
was improved to a four battalion sized „battalion“.

SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Ausbildungs- & Ersatz-Bataillon 1 „LSSAH“
Kdt/CO: Sturmbannführer Klingemeyer
• I./ SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Ausbildungs- & Ersatz-Bataillon 1 „LSSAH“ (3 Kp)
• II./ SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Ausbildungs- & Ersatz-Bataillon 1 „LSSAH“ (3 Kp)
• III./ SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Ausbildungs- & Ersatz-Bataillon 1 „LSSAH“ (3 Kp)
• IV./ SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Ausbildungs- & Ersatz-Bataillon 1 „LSSAH“ (3 Kp)


Ein Bataillon wurde ab 06031945 unter Sturmbannführer Späth der Panzer-Division „Müncheberg“ unterstellt.
On 06th March 1945 one battalion was attached to the Panzer-Divison „Müncheberg“; CO was Sturmbannführer Späth

Die anderen 3 Bataillone bilden ab 15031945 das SS-Rgt „Falke“ unter Obersturmbannführer Rosenbusch.
The 3 others battalions formed on 15th March 1945 the SS-Regiment „Falke“; CO Obersturmbannführer Rosenbusch
Von diesen werden 2 Bataillone ab 15041945 für BERLIN herausgezogen (==> SS-Rgt „ANHALT“)
2 battalions of the 3 were pulled out for Berlin on 15th April 1945 (==> SS-Rgt „ANHALT“)





Kampfgruppe „MOHNKE“

1.)
Kdt/CO: Brigadeführer Wilhelm Mohnke
Ia/COS: Sturmbannführer Klingemeyer (bis/till 15041945 Kdt/CO des/of Panzer-Grenadier-Ausbildungs- & Ersatz-Bataillon 1 „LSSAH“)


2.)
a)
•Regiment 1 „MOHNKE“ => Regiment „ANHALT“ => Regiment „WAHL“
•• aus auf 2 Bataillone aufgestocktes WchB 1 „LSSAH“
•• from the to 2 Battalions increased Guard Battallion 1 “LSSAH”

b) • Regiment 2 „MOHNKE“
•• aus Angehörigen der Berliner SS-Ämter
•• formed from members of different SS-Offices in Berlin
Kdt/CO: ???


3.)
22/04/1945


4.)
02/05/1945


5.)
a)
•Regiment 1 „MOHNKE“ => Regiment „ANHALT“ => Regiment „WAHL“
•• aus auf 2 Bataillone aufgestocktes WchB 1 „LSSAH“ (Wach-Bataillon 1 „LSSAH“ am *15041945 aus Panzer-Grenadier-Ausbildungs- & Ersatz-Bataillon 1 „LSSAH“ [12 Kp])
•• from the to 2 Battalions increased guard battallion (was formed on 15th April 1945 from mech.Training & Replacement Battalion 1 “LSSAH” [12 coys])
Kdt/CO: Standartenführer Anhalt (bis/till 25041945)
Sturmbannführer Wahl (ab/from 25041945)

•• I./Regiment 1 „MOHNKE“ => I./Regiment „ANHALT“ => I./Regiment „WAHL“
Kdt/CO: Hauptsturmführer Mrugalla (aus/from SS-Wirtschafts- & Verwaltungs-Hauptamt?????)
•• II./Regiment 1 „MOHNKE“ => II./Regiment „ANHALT“ => II./Regiment „WAHL“
Kdt/CO: Hauptsturmführer Schäfer


b) • Regiment 2 „MOHNKE“
•• aus Angehörigen der Berliner SS-Ämter
•• formed from members of different SS-Offices in Berlin
Kdt/CO: ???

•• I./Rgt 2 „MOHNKE“
Kdt/CO: ???
•• II./Rgt 2 „MOHNKE“
Kdt/CO: ???
Eventuell Verbindung zu 2 schwachen SS-Bataillone gebildet aus dem SS-Führungs-Hauptamt, Gruppe Nord (Stützpunkt II, Pieskow) unter Sturmbannführer Braun und Obersturmbannführer Radke
maybe in connection with 2 weak SS-Battalions formed from the SS-Führungs-Hauptamt, Gruppe Nord (Stützpunkt II, Pieskov) CO‘s Sturmbannführer Braun und Obersturmbannführer Radke


6.)
some 1800 (or 2000) men
light infantry equipment
Panzerfaust & Panzerschreck


7.)
Kampfgebiet der Kampfgruppe „MOHNKE“
Locations of fightings in Berlin:

I./Regiment 1 „MOHNKE“ => I./Regiment „ANHALT“ => I./Regiment „WAHL“:
#Bahnhof Friedrichsstraße # Verlauf der Spree # Reichstagsgebäude # Siegesallee

II./Regiment 1 „MOHNKE“ => II./Regiment „ANHALT“ => II./Regiment „WAHL“:
Moltkestraße # Tiergarten # Potsdamer Platz

Regiment 2 „MOHNKE“:
Potsdamer Platz # Leipzigerstraße # Luftfahrtministerium # Bahnhof Friedrichsstr.




Some other informations say:

Kampfgruppe Mohnke formed under Brigadeführer Mohnke.
• SS-WchB 1 „LSSAH“ [Sturmbannführer Kaschula] (guard battalion)
• SS-PzGrenAusb-&ErsB 1 „LSSAH“ [Obersturmbannführer Lingemeier] (mech. training and replacement battalion 1)
• Führer-Begleit Kommando [Sturmbannführer Otto Günsche oder/or Gesche]
• SS-Begleit Kommando [Sturmbannführer Franz Schädle]
SS-Begleit Kommando was created one year before LAH and was not part of it , therefore members of LAH joined SS-Begleit Kommando.





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Post by Piet Duits » 21 Mar 2004 16:43

Michi,

This is interesting! So, there were up to 4 "Sub-Batallionen" in the Pz.Gren.Ausb.u.Ers.Btl.?
Were these devided into 2 Ausb. and 2 Ers. Btl., or were these mixed formations? Furthermore, as some of these SS-Pz.Gren.A.u.E.Btl. (nice isn't it, all these abbrevations) were used to support the Generalkommandos as well, were all these Batallionen as large as the Leibstandarte-Batallion? For example, was the Nr. 9 also so large?

As a matter of fact, I made a list of all the known (to me) SS-Ersatztruppen. If anyone has more detailed data on the structure of these units, please do tell me!

For example, here's what I have for the french SS-Volunteers:

Franz. SS-Grenadier-Ausbildungs und Ersatz-Batallion (28.8.44 in Greifenberg)
6011a Stab (1.5.43)
6545 dazu: Granatwerfer Ausbildungsstaffel (1.10.42)
6021 1.-4. Ausbildungskompanie je
ohne: 3. Zug, le Gr.W. Trupp
6550 dazu: 3. Zug jedoch mit 2 schw. MG (1.10.42)
6621 Fahrausbildungsschwadron (1.1.43)
5080 Gruppe Führer Stammkompanie (1.5.43)
5080 Gruppe Führer Genesendenkompanie (1.5.43)

(6011a etc. are the KStN-numbers, while (1.5.43) etc. are the dates for these KStN's)

TIA,

Piet

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Post by Michi » 21 Mar 2004 19:43

This is interesting! So, there were up to 4 "Sub-Batallionen" in the Pz.Gren.Ausb.u.Ers.Btl.?
Were these devided into 2 Ausb. and 2 Ers. Btl., or were these mixed formations? Furthermore, as some of these SS-Pz.Gren.A.u.E.Btl. (nice isn't it, all these abbrevations) were used to support the Generalkommandos as well, were all these Batallionen as large as the Leibstandarte-Batallion? For example, was the Nr. 9 also so large?



a.) The SS-PzGrenAusb & ErsBtl 1 „LSSAH“ was enlarged to keep the manpower for the Waffen-SS.
Manpower is not the correct word, as the soldiers of the I./ & II./ & III./ & IV./SS-PzGrenAusb & ErsBtl 1 „LSSAH“ were some 15 and 16 years old.

b.) The I./ & II./ & III./ & IV./SS-PzGrenAusb- & ErsBtl 1 „LSSAH“ were simple infantry units with 3 infantry coys each.

c.) For the SS-PzGrenAusb & ErsBtl 9 „H“ I don't have any infos.
BUT for the SS-PzGrenAusb & ErsBtl 11 „N“ I have some infos.
30/03/1945: some 800 men in 6 coys
01/04/1945 - 11/04/1945: lost some 600 KIA & WIA
18/04/1945: again a strength of some 400 men.


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Post by V. Andries » 27 Mar 2004 12:13

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 by Wolfkin:
In January 1945 during the fighting to the Southeast of Bastogne KG Poetschke was composed of the I/SS Panzer Regiment 1 with all available Panzer, two battalions of Panzergrenadiers and a Pioneer Kompanie. KG Hansen was composed of SS Panzerjager Abteilung 1, all Panzergrenadier elements not in KG Poetschke, a Reconaissance platoon and a Pioneer Kompanie.


Hi Wolfkin,

Do you or anybody else have details about which Pioneer Kompanie was with KG Poetschke and which Pioneer Kompanie and recce platoon with KG Hansen?

Also (slightly off-topic), I wonder if 9. and 12. SS-PzDiv. were organised into Kampfgruppen when they arrived in the Bastogne sector. If so, any details on their composition?

Many thanks in advance,

Andries

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