Knight's Cross Holders Identification

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 06 Jul 2004 16:59

FANGIO wrote:Hi everybody!

No one knows who could be the Officer on pic 102?

Oberstab: who's the man behind Schulte-Heuthaus with the RK?

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Hauptmann Werner Lau

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 06 Jul 2004 17:02

freiherr wrote:Thanks Oberstab and Denis,

Mystery solved. ObLt Paul Vincenz Jansky and Jäger Hans SieGLER of 49 Jg Rgt/ 28 Jg Div receiving RK's on 12.08.44. Commander was no other than Heistermann von Ziehlberg! Looked like von Ziehlberg had both arms. It was the regimental or battalion commander who didn't !

It also showed Siegler with his three PVA's. Perhaps Klemen or Daniel has access or a pic of Siegler?

Unfortunately, this was all that was available!

Oberstab, who was the the RKT next to Hermann Schulte-Heuthaus ?


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Dear Freiherr,

Heistermann von Ziehlberg was severely wounded on 27.11.1943 ond lost his left arm.

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Post by FANGIO » 06 Jul 2004 17:04

Oberstab wrote:Hauptmann Werner Lau

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Many thanks again Oberstab.
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Post by Elwyn W » 07 Jul 2004 12:07

Thanks Oberstab. The clip clearly showed an officer walking with Siegler after the ceremony without a left arm. So he must be Heistermann von Ziehlberg.

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Post by John Toner » 08 Jul 2004 07:21

This colour photo of an RKT appeared lately on the German Daggers forum. Anyone know who it is?

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Post by John Toner » 08 Jul 2004 07:22

Forgot to attach - sorry.

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Post by Denis » 08 Jul 2004 08:50

Hi

This is Hubert Brinkforth

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Post by Xavier » 09 Jul 2004 16:54

Not an identification request, but very interesting, is a complete document grouping for a KC winner, I could not think of posting it on another thread.

Martin Kiefer, NCO. Infantry with panzer destruction course. Grenadier Regiment 320: EK2, EK1 and his KC in just 1 month!

I am posting all the info from the auction, because as you know, the info will eventually disapear from ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... RK:MEWA:IT

Statement of non Jewish descent, 2-8-36.

Mustering identity card, 3-8-35. With civil passphoto.

Oath of loyalty to AH 20-4-36. Obligatory to military personnel.

"Truppenausweis", 18-11-37. Blue canvas military identity card with uniform passphoto.

Conduct and proficiency statement, 9-1 -40.

Request by his mother not to transfer her son to a unit where he might be killed as he isher only son and her husband was KIA during WW-1,1-1-42. Authorized by the Pappenhofen municipal authorities.

Division Nr.193 statement, 31-3-42. Confirming that the request by his mother is granted. Martin will not have to serve in a combat unit but with rear echelons units. Signed by the CO. of the Div., Gen.Maj.Paul Loehning.

Statement by Martin, 20-3-42. Confirming that he agrees to serve in a non-combattant unit.

Military personal records extract, 20-3-42.

2 X personal data sheet ( Nov.43-March 44). Military career and personal data incl. campaigns involved in, injuries, etc.

Military District Office statement, 29-12-44. Sent to the Pfaffenhofen military hospital with the Knights Cross for Martin, requesting to organize a worthy award ceremony in the presence of as many as possible authorities and fellow patients.

Handwritten questionnaire regarding the award of the Knights Cross to Martin, 6-1 -45

± 15 other documents, mainly regarding his military career.

Two passphotos (one civil, one uniform ).

Wehrstammbuch. Counterpart of the Wehrpass. Full of entries!!!

Entitled to:

Medal of the 13th March 1938,
Wound Badge in black,
Iron Cross 2nd Cl., 10-7-1944
Iron Cross 1 st Cl., 17-7-1944
Infantry Assault Badge,
Knights Cross of the Iron Cross. 12-8-1944
Also entitled to the Wound Badge in Silver 22-8-1944

He served Nov.37-Nov.38 with lnf.Rgt.63, based in Bavaria (Ingolstadt). Nov.38-Aug.39 he served with lnf.Rgt.72, based at Dachau. Aug.39-Oct.42 he served as with training and replacement units of the Rgt. in Germany, where he served a.o. as equipment administrator.

Although he should not be transferred to a combat unit, being the only man in the family, he served Oct.42-April 43 with Infantry combat training units after which he was transferred to Fahr-Schw.212, a transport unit of the 212.lnf.Div., then operating in Russia (Wolchow). He also did a course in Panzer destruction!

Dec.43 he was transferred to Gren.Rgt.320 of the same Div., where he saw lots of action. 31 -1 -44 he was injured ( shrapnel). 1 -7-44 he was again injured by shrapnel (left cheek) and 15-7-44 he was severely injured ( shot through his belly and back) when a partisan unit broke through the german front line near Wilna (Lithuania).

For his heroic performance during this event, the Knights Cross was awarded to him. He was repatriated to Germany and stayed in his home town ( Pfaffenhofen, Bavaria) military hospital when the Knights Cross was issued to him Dec.44. He did not see active service anymore.

Very interesting group of a soldier who wasn't supposed to go to the front, but fate decided else for him.


I have saved the images separately, for those who can not access from germany/europe the ebay auctions due to local restriccions:
http://community.webshots.com/album/161234949FEQTgY

best regards

Xavier
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Post by Elwyn W » 11 Jul 2004 21:27

Could anyone tell me who was the real Uffz Rudolf Otto? One was from http://www.das-ritterkreuz.com. The other one had a signature on it. There were only two RKT's whose first name was Rudolf and the last name started with an "O". Rudolf OTT was an Oberst.

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both : Rudolf(-Herbert) Otto , Uffz, 6./GR 529 / AHF id
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Post by Denis » 12 Jul 2004 06:29

Hello Freiherr
I believe that both depict Rudolf Otto who was awarded the RK as Uffz. in 6/GR 529 (299 ID).
At first glance, faces are not very similar but I think this is due to the fact there is a formal photo and the second shows him smiling.
Both ribbon bars are identical, besides the way the Nahkmapfspange is located is very similar.
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Post by Elwyn W » 13 Jul 2004 17:25

Thanks Denis.

In the meantime, who was he? Couldn't tell whether it was a Mj or GenMj. But there was an EL there.

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 13 Jul 2004 20:28

freiherr wrote:Thanks Denis.

In the meantime, who was he? Couldn't tell whether it was a Mj or GenMj. But there was an EL there.

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Otto Maximilian Hitzfeld !?

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Post by JoeW » 15 Jul 2004 07:03

This photo of some young vets a few years into the war was taken in front of the Festspielhaus in Bayreuth before a Wagner production. Two officers and an NCO with three RKs and a DKiG. Would anyone recognize the RK winners? Sorry for the poor picture quality. It was from a proof sheet.

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Wagner-Festspielhaus Bayreuth , not before April 1944
from left to right :
1 - unknown
2 - Johann Sandner - RK 13.06.1941 Oberjäger Grp.Fhr. i. d. 11./Geb.Jäg.Rgt. 100 / 5. Geb.Div.
[DKiG : 11.04.1944]
3 - Herbert Hodurek - RK 15.04.1944 Hauptmann Fhr. III./Geb.Jäg.Rgt. 144 / 3. Geb.Div.
4 - Josef Ehinger - RK 22.08.1943 Oberjäger Grp.Fhr. i. d. 6./Geb.Jäg.Rgt. 100 / 5. Geb.Div.
5 - unknown
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Post by Elwyn W » 15 Jul 2004 12:14

No 2 from right looks like Johann Sandner. 11/GbJgRgt 100. He was RKT 13.06.41 ut did not get his DKiG until 11.04.44

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