some tank identifications please

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some tank identifications please

Post by tom! » 09 Aug 2004 09:12

Hi

I found this pic´s on ebay.de:

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It´s a Panzer IVD I think. But have a look at the gun shield and the MG in the hull.


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After some weeks of searching I´m not able to identify this one.


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Post by Javichu » 09 Aug 2004 10:25

Tauchpanzer 4, modified for Seelowe and sent to the Russian Front.
Maybe someone better informed could tell you even the unit.Because I think they were issued to only one Panzer Division.
PS: Aren´t they two different tanks?

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Post by tom! » 09 Aug 2004 13:11

Hi

Yes, you are right. I did´t notice that it is tank 123 and 132.
I was not sure if those were Tauchpanzer, so I asked.

To my knowledge the Tauchpanzer´s unit was the 18. Panzerdivision.

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Post by zemsi » 09 Aug 2004 18:37

@Tom

I think the third tank is a Czech Skoda LT-35 (called Pzkw 35 t by the Germans).

Compare it with this tank:

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Post by Hans_Rudel » 09 Aug 2004 23:56

zemsi wrote:@Tom

I think the third tank is a Czech Skoda LT-35 (called Pzkw 35 t by the Germans).

Compare it with this tank:

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Does tom's picture feature a Pzkpfw 35(t) or a Pzkpfw 38(t)?

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Post by tom! » 10 Aug 2004 07:27

Hi.

Well, it is not a LT vz.35.

The commanders cupola is on the wrong side and it has a different front hull.

But I agree that it is czech as we can see from the camo-scheme and number plate.

Perhaps a czech prototype?

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Post by Homerr » 11 Aug 2004 03:11

I've looked through "Czechoslovak Armored Fighting Vehicles 1918-1948" by Kliment and Francev and it has features of a couple different tanks. Without re-reading a couple chapters I'll make a few comments.

I'm wondering if it is a test turret on a production chassis, or vice versa. The turret machine gun looks like the rounded armored cowl type, the turret has the right handed cupola w/ that style hatch and viewports, LT vz.38 style gun mount, high mounted port to the left of the gun (as seen from above the vehicle) hull front, but what really throws it is the LT vz.35's distinctive track guide on the sprocket. The S-III, V-8-H, T-21, and Turan all have some of these features - but not all.

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Post by Flakwalker » 12 Aug 2004 18:01

The last one is very strange. It have tracks that remind me the ones on T-28 or T-35. About the gun it seems it is an Skoda 47mm one. Maybe a czech prototype of a medium or heavy tank. Also the cammo patern could be czech or polish.

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Post by Flakwalker » 12 Aug 2004 18:15

I was searching and due of the position of the driver armor plate it could be a czech Skoda SP-III Medium Tank prototype.

Here is the link:
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/Czec ... vakia.html

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Post by tom! » 17 Aug 2004 12:23

Hi

I asked the same question about the czech tank on the AchtungPanzer-forum.

This is the reply:
I cannot make out clearly the registration number, which appears to be 13638. In that case it is the prototype Š-III-6 of 1939. Built by Škoda, the vehicle was armed with a 4.7 cm Škoda Š-III gun and two ZB vz. 37 heavy machine guns. Crew of four, 8 mph top speed, 16-32 mm armor, 18.6 ton weight.

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Post by Charles K. Kliment » 02 Jul 2005 18:54

Dear Tom:

It is definitely the Skoda S-III-6 prototype. The army bought two of them, S-III-6 and S-III-8, numbers 13638 and 13639.
May I ask where did you get the photo, and would it be possible to get a scan with higher resolution?

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Post by Sander D » 02 Jul 2005 19:24

Charles K. Kliment wrote :
It is definitely the Skoda S-III-6 prototype. The army bought two of them, S-III-6 and S-III-8, numbers 13638 and 13639.
May I ask where did you get the photo, and would it be possible to get a scan with higher resolution?
Cant help you with a better picture that previous mentioned,only with better picture of the 13638 from the side,if you take a good look you can see that the camoflage pattern is the same .

The picture comes from an expired e-bay sale

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