Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Daniel L · Post by **Daniel L** » 31 Oct 2004 12:54

Hi Hardigan, I really don't think it's Schümers.

Best regards/ Daniel

Mark V. · Post by **Mark V.** » 31 Oct 2004 13:53

Yes, Giesecke and Schümers plus Hans Traupe and probably Günther Butte (both with DKiGs).

Daniel L · Post by **Daniel L** » 31 Oct 2004 14:19

Looking at this photo I get somewhat confused. Compare the length of the ribbon for example.

Best regards/ Daniel[/img]

Mark V. · Post by **Mark V.** » 31 Oct 2004 15:56

Daniel, rather try comparing their faces - a definite match

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Hardigan · Post by **Hardigan** » 31 Oct 2004 16:24

Daniel , take a look at their uniforms and places of awards , exactly the same .

Hardigan

Daniel L · Post by **Daniel L** » 31 Oct 2004 16:25

Yes, I withdraw my statements.

Best regards/ Daniel

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 31 Oct 2004 16:44

Hi John,
The RKT on the extreme right of your photo is supposed to be Gerhard Friedrich. But then then a cropped pic of the same photo was all I had.

Cheers
Freiherr

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 31 Oct 2004 17:10

In John's pic, the person on the extreme left looks like Mj Hans Georg Herzog, Kmdr, II/PzRGt14. He was RKT'ed on 06.04.44. Second from left was Karl Decker, Kmdr 5 Pz from 07.09.43 to 16.10.44.

Friedrich got his RK on 06.04.43 but DKiG on 10.01.44.

This would put the pic having been taken between April 44 to Oct 44. The background clearly was not summer so that would narrow down the number of possible RKTs as candidate for the yet unnamed man -- looks like he was just awarded the RK.

Cheers
Freiherr

Elwyn W · Post by **Elwyn W** » 31 Oct 2004 18:21

Stumped!

Friedrich got DKiG on 10.01.44.

There were these officers who got RK then up to 16.10.44 which was when Decker left:

Lt Erich Abraham (posthumous)
Lt Prosper Graf zu Castell Castell (not him)
Mj Hans Georg Herzog
Obst Heinrich Steinwachs (not him)
Lt Josef Jenatschek (not him)
Lt August Kiene ??????
Obst Rolf Lippert (not him)
Hptm Edzard v Reden (not him)
ObLt Fritz Eschmann ??????
ObstLt i.G. Anton Detlev v Plato (not him)
Hptm Karl Seckler (posthumous)
Mj Friedrich Karl Nökel (not him)
Hptm Alfred Jedtke (not him)

Anyone know what these two looked like?

Cheers
Freiherr

John Toner · Post by **John Toner** » 31 Oct 2004 20:10

Are there any better photos of Gerhard Friedrich?

John

FANGIO · Post by **FANGIO** » 31 Oct 2004 20:25

Hardigan wrote:Hello Fangio

The KC-recipients are Otto Giesecke and Karl Schümers of Polizei-div

Best

Hardigan

Thank you very much for the IDs Hardigan.

Edit: Also thanks to Mark for identifying the DKiG recipients.

Best regards,

FANGIO

FANGIO · Post by **FANGIO** » 01 Nov 2004 20:29

Pic posted in wehrmacht-awards forum but no name was given. Who is he?
The pic was posted by Larry L (Association Member)

hec801 · Post by **hec801** » 04 Nov 2004 18:34

Hallo,

I found the pic in the missing list of International Red Cross!

I Think that this on the photo is a RKT but the name is not to find! So this is a wrong name for a RKT photo!

Does anyone know who he is!?

Regards

Hannes

John Toner · Post by **John Toner** » 05 Nov 2004 11:14

Dear Hannes

If Kertsch is where the RKT died, then there are the following possibilities.

Kociok, Josef
Ofw., Flugzeugfhr. i. d. 10. (N.J.)Z.G. 1
RK 31.07.43
+ 26.9.43 bei Kertsch (Rußland) nach Zusammenstoß mit einem sowjet. Flugzeug tödl. verungluckt als Flugzeugfhr. im N.J.G. 200; nachträglich zum Lt. befördert

Künkel, Christian
Lt., Flugzeugfhr. i. d. 8./S.G. 3
RK 26.03.44
+ 27.1.44 bei Kertsch (Rußland); nachträglich zum Oblt. befördert

Sattler, Hans-Karl
Oblt., Flugzeugfhr. i. d. 8./S.G. 77
RK 16.02.42
+ 13.1.43 bei Kertsch (Rußland) als Staffelkpt.

Stegmann, Karl
Uffz., Hilfsbeobachter i. d. 7./Art.Rgt. 198
RK 20.01.44
+ 6.11.43 auf Halbinsel Kertsch (Rußland); nachträglich zum Wachtm. befördert

Waldhauser, Johann
Oblt., Staffelkpt. 9./S.G. 77
RK 24.01.42
+ 13.5.42 bei Kertsch (Rußland)

I hope this helps.

John

Daniel L · Post by **Daniel L** » 06 Nov 2004 01:42

Doesn't look like Luftwaffe but Heer to me. I guess that's a grey panzer wraper he is wearing. Stegmann could be the one.

Best regards/ Daniel