Electric-powered turrets
- SuperSlinger
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Electric-powered turrets
Just wondering, how many axis tanks used electric-powered turrets like thee one on the Sherman.?
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Pz.Kpfw.IV (except Ausf.J) (full traverse in 22.5 seconds) (see link for details)
Pz.Kpfw.Panther (full traverse in 19 seconds)
Pz.Kpfw.Tiger Ausf.E (full traverse in 60 seconds)
Pz.Kpfw.Tiger Ausf.B (full traverse in nine/19 seconds)
Christian
Pz.Kpfw.Panther (full traverse in 19 seconds)
Pz.Kpfw.Tiger Ausf.E (full traverse in 60 seconds)
Pz.Kpfw.Tiger Ausf.B (full traverse in nine/19 seconds)
Christian
Christian, maybe I understand this thread wrong but the question is how many tanks have electric powered turrets.Christian Ankerstjerne wrote:Pz.Kpfw.IV (except Ausf.J) (full traverse in 22.5 seconds) (see link for details)
Pz.Kpfw.Panther (full traverse in 19 seconds)
Pz.Kpfw.Tiger Ausf.E (full traverse in 60 seconds)
Pz.Kpfw.Tiger Ausf.B (full traverse in nine/19 seconds)
Christian
I suppose with electric powered turrets SuperSlinger means that the turret traverse is done by an electric engine, and not by fuel opperated engines as for example used on the Pz.Kpfw.IV.,or traversed by hand.
Could you explain this further please ?
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Auto Union, DKW-Motor, Typ ZW 500 or ZW 600 Two-stroke gasoline engine with DKW reverse flushing....M.Rausch wrote:The traverse of the Pz-IV was electrical, the traverse of the other listed tanks hydraulic.
Doesn't sound like it was electrical!
Don't think this engine powered up a generator wich produced an current for an electrical motor?!
What about the fumes of this 2-stroke engine...was there an exhaust pipe (i presume this engine is in the crew compartment)?
This engine was driving the Leonard-type electricity generator with a power output of 2 kW at 2800 rpm. The electricity produced by the Leonard-generator was used to run the engine of the electrical traverse of the turret. The fuel driven DKW-Motor had an exhaust pipe but I can't tell from just looking briefly over the diagram if the engine was located in the crew or engine compartment.Auto Union, DKW-Motor, Typ ZW 500 or ZW 600 Two-stroke gasoline engine with DKW reverse flushing....
Doesn't sound like it was electrical!
Sources are:
1. H.Dv. 653/06 "Pz-IV B-E Beschreibung Turm" from 10.03.41.
2. H.Dv. 653/08 "Pz-IV A-H elektrisches Turmschwenkwerk" from 12.09.43.
The Tiger E turret is in a totally different weight class, so you have first to move much more mass.
There was also not that much difference between the Tiger E and B. A contact of mine is just doing instensive research on the Tiger E traverse and till now the following results had come up:
1. Only the first produced Tiger E from 1942 had a traverse speed of 60 s for 360° independant from the rpm of the main engine.
2. In spring 1943 the production Tiger E's got a main engine rpm dependant turret traverse, with an improved traverse rate of 40-48 s for a full circle. There is a Tiger E training video existing, where the tank managed to turn the turret 90° in 10-11 seconds.
I hope this helps.
There was also not that much difference between the Tiger E and B. A contact of mine is just doing instensive research on the Tiger E traverse and till now the following results had come up:
1. Only the first produced Tiger E from 1942 had a traverse speed of 60 s for 360° independant from the rpm of the main engine.
2. In spring 1943 the production Tiger E's got a main engine rpm dependant turret traverse, with an improved traverse rate of 40-48 s for a full circle. There is a Tiger E training video existing, where the tank managed to turn the turret 90° in 10-11 seconds.
I hope this helps.
Yes, but Tiger E and not Tiger B.Are you saying that also the Tiger B had a turret speed traverse near to 40 sec for a 360° rotation ?
Spielberger tells e.g. a traverse speed of 60 s for a full circle, when the main engine run on 1500 rpm, but the engine could be run on 2800 rpm. There is a training video showing clearly a faster traverse than 60 s for a full circle and there are combat reports, where the driver of a Tiger E tells he stayed ready to increase the rpm of the engine when the gunner needed it.
So there are hints indicating that in spring 1943 the produced Tiger E received a different hydraulic traverse, dependant on the main engine rpm and faster than the old.
I have reviewed the resaearch results of my contact and he gets as maximum traverse speed for a main engine rpm dependant hydraulic turret traverse 15 s for a full 360° circle for the Tiger E.
A link to the video I talked about is here: http://users.telenet.be/bubbelbadeendje ... tiger1.avi
A link to the video I talked about is here: http://users.telenet.be/bubbelbadeendje ... tiger1.avi
Re: Electric-powered turrets
What are the Sources for the Tiger I turn rate ?
And were certain its ~ 60 sec pre 43 and 40-48 sec after 43 ?
And were certain its ~ 60 sec pre 43 and 40-48 sec after 43 ?
Re: Electric-powered turrets
Something I've been curious of for a long time: which version of Panzer III first received a powered turret traverse mechanism? and how fast it could traverse it? The details on this tank are hard to come by, it's fame significantly eclipsed by its bigger brother Pz.IV.