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Post by michael mills » 11 Feb 2006 13:59

It was the "Guidelines for the Behaviour of the Troops in Russia", of 18 May 1941.

I have not been able to find an online copy of that document, but it does describe "Asiatics" as especially dangerous and cruel protagonists of the Bolshevik system. That reflects the image of "Asiatic" Bolsheviks propagated by anti-Bolshevik Russian refugees, eg by Sergei Melgunov in his book "Red Terror in Russia".

The "Guidelines" were actually issued by the Wehrmacht. It appears that Heydrich modified the attitude to be taken toward captured "Asiatics" in his Order No. 8 to the Einsatzgruppen commanders issued on 17 July 1941, in which he warned that "Asiatics" should not be automatically be classed as "intolerable elements" (which were subject to summary execution), but should be interrogated to determine whether they should be considered "suspects" or "potentially useful".

Also see this thread:

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Post by michael mills » 11 Feb 2006 14:26

Here is a link to an anti-Bolshevik poster showing Trotsky as a monster.

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl= ... D%26sa%3DG

Note the Chinese Red Guards at the bottom of the picture.

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Post by michael mills » 11 Feb 2006 14:31

Here is the same poster in full colour.

http://www.germinaliteratura.com.br/imagens/trotsky.jpg

The Chinese identity of the Red Guards at the bottom of the picture is more obvious.

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Post by David Thompson » 11 Feb 2006 16:03

For Nazi executions of Soviet "asiatics" in the first year of Operation Barbarossa, see also:

Nazi genocide against the Turkmen?
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Post by Kim Sung » 11 Feb 2006 16:16

michael mills wrote:http://www.germinaliteratura.com.br/imagens/trotsky.jpg

Quite funny! I didn't hear any meaningful Chinese presence in the Soviet Union in 1920~1940 except the above-mentioned 88th brigade. Does anybody have a data on the Chinese population in the Soviet Union from 1920~1940?

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Post by alf » 11 Feb 2006 22:47

Here is the Decree of May 1941 that Micheal spoke about, it was in the link I provided. http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/USSR5.htm

TRANSLATION OFDOCUMENT 886-PS
Source: Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, Vol. III. USGPO, Washington, 1946, p.637-639
Fuehrer Decree, 13 May 1941, on Regulation of Conduct of
Troops in District "Barbarossa" and Handling of Opposition.

SECRET

The Fuehrer and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces
Enclosure to 32/ 41 g. Kdos.Chefs. WR.
1st copy.

Fuehrer headquarters, 13 May 1941
[Initialed] "J 10/ 5"

TOP SECRET

Decree for the conduct of courts-martial in the district "BARBAROSSA" and for special measures of the troop [written in ink]

The armed forces court-martial serves primarily the purpose of maintaining discipline.

The great expanse of the Eastern theatre of operations, the kind of warfare necessitated on that account, and the peculiarity of the opponent present tasks to the armed forces courts-martial which they can accomplish during the course of the war and until the first pacification of the conquered territory-being short staffed-only if the court-martial is limited to its main task.

This is only possible if the troop itself defends itself ruthlessly against any threat by the enemy civil population.

Accordingly, the following is decreed for the territory "Barbarossa" (theater of operation, rear army area and area of the political administration):

Treatment of punishable offenses of enemy civilians

1. Punishable offenses committed by enemy civilians do not, until further notice, come any more under the jurisdiction of the courts-martial and the summary courts-martial.

2. Guerillas are to be killed ruthlessly by the troops in battle or during pursuit.

3. Also all other attacks of enemy civilians against the Wehrmacht, its members and employees are to be fought by the troops at the place of the attack with the most extreme means until annihilation of the attacker.

4. In cases where measures of this kind were neglected or not immediately possible, elements suspected of offense will be brought at once before an officer. He decides whether they are to be shot.

Against villages from which the Wehrmacht was insidiously and maliciously attacked, collective punitive measures by force will be carried out immediately under command of an officer with the rank of at least a battalion commander, if the circumstances do not permit an immediate identification of individual perpetrators.

5. It is expressly prohibited to hold suspected perpetrators in order to transfer them to the courts upon reinstitution of their jurisdiction over civilians.

6. The commanders in chief of the army groups can, in conjunction with the competent commanders of the air force and the navy, restore the Wehrmacht jurisdiction over civilians in districts which are sufficiently pacified.

For the area of the political administration this decree is issued through the chief of the high command of the Wehrmacht [marginal ink correction inked out: C-n-C of army in agreement with C-i-C of other branches.]

II

Treatment of punishable offenses of members of the Wehrmacht and its employees against the native population

1. For offenses committed by members of the Wehrmacht and its employees against enemy civilians, prosecution is not compulsory, not even if the offense is at the same time a military crime or violation.

2. While judging offenses of this kind, it should be considered in every case, that the breakdown in 1918, the time of suffering of the German people after that, and the numerous blood sacrifices of the movement in the battle against national socialism were decidedly due to the Bolshevist influence, and that no German has forgotten this.

3. The judge examines therefore whether in such cases disciplinary action is justified or whether it is necessary to take legal steps. The judge orders the prosecution of offenses against civilians through court-martial only if it is considered necessary for the maintenance of discipline or the security of the troops. This applies, for instance, to cases of serious offenses which are based on sexual acts without restraint, which derive from a criminal tendency, or which are a sign that the troop threatens to mutiny. The punishable offenses of destroying senselessly quarters as well as supplies or other captured goods to the disadvantage of the own troop should, as a rule, be judged as more leniently.

The order of the inquiry proceedings requires in every individual case the signature of the judge.

Extreme care must be'exercised when judging the authenticity of the statements of enemy civilians.

II

Responsibility of the troop commanders

The troop commanders are, within the sphere of their competence, personally responsible for the following :

1. that all officers of the units subordinated to them are very thoroughly and promptly instructed about the fundamentals of I,

2. that their legal advisors be promptly informed about these instructions and about the verbal statements with which the po-litical intentions of the leadership had been explained to the commanders-in-chief,

3. that only such sentences will be confirmed which are in accord with the political intentions of the leadership.

IV

Protection of secret

After end of camouflage the decree is to be considered only as secret.

For the chief of the high command of the Wehrmacht-

Signed : KEITEL

Note [in pencil] : This should, if possible, not be passed on 1 June 41.
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Post by Despot » 12 Feb 2006 11:02

alf wrote:Here is the Decree of May 1941 that Micheal spoke about, it was in the link I provided. http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/USSR5.htm

TRANSLATION OFDOCUMENT 886-PS
Source: Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, Vol. III. USGPO, Washington, 1946, p.637-639
Fuehrer Decree, 13 May 1941, on Regulation of Conduct of
Troops in District "Barbarossa" and Handling of Opposition.



I think this is the document, as it is dated 5/19/1941, and labeled 'Directive for the Conduct of the Troops in Russia" I found it archived on this forum, Specifically warning of the "dangerous Asiatics".

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Enclosure 3 to OKW/Armed Forces Operations Staff/Dept National Defense IV/Qu No. 44560/41
Top Secret
Matter for Chiefs,
19th copy.

Directives for the conduct of the troops in Russia:

I:

1. Bolshevism is the deadly enemy of the National-Socialist German Nation. It is this undermining ideology and its supporters at which Germany's struggle is aimed.

2. This struggle demands ruthless and energetic measures against Bolshevist agitators, guerillas, saboteurs, Jews, and the complete elimination of all active or passive resistance.

II:

3. Strictest reserve and utmost vigilance toward all members of the Red Army--including the prisoners--is indicated, since treacherous fighting methods are to be expected. Especially the Asiatic soldiers of the Red Army are obscure, unpredictable, insidious, and callous.

4. Immediately upon capture of troop units, the leaders are to be segregated from the men.

III:

5. In the Union of the Socialist Soviet Republics, the German soldier is not confronted with a uniform population. The USSR is a state structure which is comprised of a multitude of Slav, Caucasian, and Asiatic peoples and which is kept together by the power of the Bolshevist rulers. Jewry is strongly represented in the USSR.

6. A large part of the Russian population, especially the rural population impoverished by the Bolshevist system, is at heart opposed to bolshevism. In the non-Bolshevist Russian, national pride is linked with a deep religious feeling. Joy and gratitude about the liberation from bolshevism will frequently be expressed in a religious form. Thanksgiving services and processions are not to be prevented or to be disturbed.

7. Greatest caution is necessary when talking with the population and in behavior toward women. Many Russians understand the German language without being able to speak it.

The enemy intelligence service will be especially active in the occupied territory in order to obtain information on strategically important installations and measures. Therefore, any kind of thoughtlessness, boasting, and blind confidence can have the most serious consequences.

IV:

8. Any kind of goods of economic value, and military booty, especially foodstuff, fodder, fuel, and clothing are to be preserved and seized. Any kind of prodigality and extravagance is damaging to the troops. Looting will be punished by the severest penalties in accordance with military criminal law.

9. Caution in the consumption of captured foodstuffs! Water must not be consumed unless boiled (typhoid fever, cholera). Any contact with the population carries with it dangers for health. Protection of his own health is the soldier's duty.

10. Reich Credit Bank notes and coins in denominations of 1 and 2 pfennigs as well as 1, 2, 5, and 10 Reich Pfennigs and Renten Pfennigs, are compulsory tender of exchange. Other German money must not be used for payments.

OKW/Armed Forces Operations Staff.

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avars,

Post by andrew1812 » 21 Feb 2006 13:49

Georgien, is avars caucasian? from what i know, it was originally a siberian tribe that invaded central china in 2 century then was forced to western china and afterward migrated westward in 4-5 century. I think avars is a part of decendent of either huns (which is part 'mongol' part 'caucasian') or siberian (which is 'mongol').

Batu, how come you said you saw a lot of people from caucasia? first of all, i thought finland is pretty much a homogenous society with only a swede minority. also, i've been in US for quite some years, and during my stay there i only know one person from armenia, that's it.

Regarding the topic, a final word, stereotypes are always misleading. don't 100% trust media or propoganda.

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Post by Kim Sung » 04 May 2006 13:25

Kim Sung wrote:
michael mills wrote:http://www.germinaliteratura.com.br/imagens/trotsky.jpg

Quite funny! I didn't hear any meaningful Chinese presence in the Soviet Union in 1920~1940 except the above-mentioned 88th brigade. Does anybody have a data on the Chinese population in the Soviet Union from 1920~1940?

Today I've found something interesting about Chinese participation in the Russian Civil War. Look!

From 'Staliin and His Hangmen' by Donald Rayfield P.72

In 1919, 75 percent of the Cheka's central management was Latvian. When Russian soldiers refused to carry out executions, Latvian(and a Chinese force of some 500 hundred men) were brought in.


I opened a new thread on this.
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