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#1651

Post by Dieter Zinke » 22 Feb 2006, 09:36

Ingo wrote:Hello Dieter,
are you sure, from left .... Schuster, Kempke? I would say the last man is Schuster.
Hallo Ingo,

I think you are right (eagle-eye), the mistake is with "Die Ritterkreuzträger der Fallschirmtruppe", Biblio, Osnabrück page 150.
But there is also for clarification on page 130 the following pic with from left Kroh, Kempke, Schuster

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Post by Miha Grcar » 22 Feb 2006, 10:24

Dieter, Ingo, thank you both very much! :)

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#1653

Post by FANGIO » 22 Feb 2006, 20:33

Freiherr wrote:Fangio,

He was a fake. I even have one with an RK badly stuck onot the picture.

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So he's just a DKiG recipient then? Do you know his two first names?
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#1654

Post by Denis » 23 Feb 2006, 09:43

FANGIO wrote:
Freiherr wrote:Fangio,

He was a fake. I even have one with an RK badly stuck onot the picture.

Cheers
Freiherr
So he's just a DKiG recipient then? Do you know his two first names?
Hi Fangio,
This is Hans-Roland Fröbel
DoB : 03/10/21
Last rank : Hptm.
EK1 : 24/02/43
DKiG : 01/06/43 as Oblt. Schw. Flak-Abt. 157
RK : (not recognized) 26/04/45 as Hptm . Flak-Kampfgruppe 287
He would also have been credited with 6 Panzervernichtungsabzeichen (TDB)
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Post by Dieter Zinke » 23 Feb 2006, 11:24

Denis wrote: Hans-Roland Fröbel
DKiG : 01/06/43 as Oblt. Schw. Flak-Abt. 157
RK : (not recognized) 26/04/45 as Hptm . Flak-Kampfgruppe 287
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Denis,

Fröbel is not at all mentioned in the Veit Scherzer book as a KC-holder, neither in a positive sense nor in negative.

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Post by Ingo » 23 Feb 2006, 11:27

I can´t find him also as an German cross in Gold holder.
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Post by Denis » 23 Feb 2006, 19:21

Dieter Zinke wrote:
Denis wrote: Hans-Roland Fröbel
DKiG : 01/06/43 as Oblt. Schw. Flak-Abt. 157
RK : (not recognized) 26/04/45 as Hptm . Flak-Kampfgruppe 287
Regards, Denis
Denis,

Fröbel is not at all mentioned in the Veit Scherzer book as a KC-holder, neither in a positive sense nor in negative.

Dieter Z.
Hi Dieter
I know that but I just responded to Fangio. As Fröbel is not even listed in Fellgiebel, there is really few chance that he can be listed in Scherzer.
Information about him comes from the first volume of the KC holders of the Flak published by Biblio verlag.
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Post by FANGIO » 23 Feb 2006, 20:14

Denis wrote:Hi Fangio,
This is Hans-Roland Fröbel
DoB : 03/10/21
Last rank : Hptm.
EK1 : 24/02/43
DKiG : 01/06/43 as Oblt. Schw. Flak-Abt. 157
RK : (not recognized) 26/04/45 as Hptm . Flak-Kampfgruppe 287
He would also have been credited with 6 Panzervernichtungsabzeichen (TDB)
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Denis
Merci beaucoup Denis!
Best,

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 23 Feb 2006, 20:46

Denis wrote:Hi Dieter
.... Fröbel ....
Information about him comes from the first volume of the KC holders of the Flak published by Biblio verlag.
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Denis
Denis,

in these both volumes are a lot of other mistakes and fakes, meanwhile cancelled by Scherzer:
Heinrich Burchard
Walter Brater
Franz Josef Dreike
Rudolf Fleischer
(Fröbel)
Franz Giesler
Heinz Gropp
Karl Heinz Gustavsson
Hans Hoppe
Erwin Maifarth
Walter Pitsch
Richard Reimann (no EL)
Hans Thiessen
Werner Voshage

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Post by FANGIO » 23 Feb 2006, 20:52

"Houston, we have a problem..." From http://www.huesken.com : last name COLLEWE. Can't find any Collewe... :x :x :x
Gerhard Kollewe (mis-spelled on Hoffmann card) / AHF id
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Post by Dieter Zinke » 23 Feb 2006, 21:23

... Hallo Patricio,

the right spelling is the problem: Kollewe

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Post by Denis » 24 Feb 2006, 10:02

Hello,

Thanks Dieter for mentioning those names. It would be interesting to count precisely all acknowledged KC holders (both from Scherzer and Fellgiebel).

Regarding names misspelled on Hoffmann RKT postcards, you will find many mistakes on the Hoffmann caption :
Ihlefeldt instead of Ihlefeld
Phillips instead of (Hans) Philipp
Marsaeille instead of Marseille
Trautloff instead of Trautloft
Collewe instead of Kollewe
Halm instead of (Günther) Hahn
Kretschmar instead of Kretzschmar
Frhrr. v. Funk instead of Frhrr. v. Funck
Voigtberger instead of Voigtsberger
Kluge instead of (Bernd) Klug
Chevalier instead of (Kurt) von der Chevallerie
Rudorfer instead of Rudorffer
Schwendtner instead of Schwender
Scholz instead of (Klaus) Scholtz

Besides, there is also one other name misspelled in the Hoffmann sery which has generated a misidentification : according to the caption, a card depicts a Major Böhme. This is in fact Major Hans Böhmer (RK 10/09/43 as Rittm. A.Abt. 238). And to conclude, another card shows a true mistake : the RKT is identified by the caption as being Karl Ketterer. This is in fact Josef Schreiber (later Eichenlaubträger).

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#1663

Post by Denis » 24 Feb 2006, 10:04

Ingo wrote:I can´t find him also as an German cross in Gold holder.
He is listed in the Patzwall's book but not listed in the Scherzer's one dealing with DKiG holders of the Luftwaffe.

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Post by FANGIO » 24 Feb 2006, 22:31

Dieter Zinke wrote:Hallo Patricio,

the right spelling is the problem: Kollewe

Dieter Z.
Yup! that was the problem, many thanks Dieter.
Best,

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Post by Ingo » 24 Feb 2006, 22:39

Any idea who this could be?
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