Ju-390 mission to New York.

[Aufklarung]

Huck

I know you know your engines and don't doubt for a second your credible numbers but that alone will not convince me the flight happened. I don't claim to have the exact specs for a 390's fuel consumption and your numbers seem credible enough. Where did you get your figures? There are too many other weak arguements for this flight and Green and his sole source of some fairy tale telling junker, in prticular, lend absolutely no credibility to it ever having happened.

Wording of ones thread text is so impersonal in these forums. Generalizations and what you may not think are insults, usually are.

Where'd this "no nukes" thing come from?

regards
A

[brustcan]

Hello! There were only two Ju-390 built. Construction of the Ju-390V1
(GH+UK) started March 1943 and on October 20, 1943 flew for the first time at Merseburg. This was a conversion of a Ju-90 and further flight testing was transferred to Prague in December of 1943. In April of 1944 it was planned to build the V2 to V7 plus 20 aircraft. This was cancelled in
June 1944, and only the Ju-390V2 (RC+DA) was built using a Ju-290
fuselage. Performance WAS ESTIMATED at payload 10,000kg, range of 8,000km, at 330km/h at 2,000m altitude. The V2 was transferred to Rechlin-Larz on Feb. 3, 1945 and scrapped. There is no written information
that either aircraft ever left Germany or Czech. Source: Bombers of the
German Airforce 1933-1945 Joachim Dressel and Manfred Griehl
Cheers brustcan

[us11thairborne]

Did a Junkers Ju 390 make a nonstop flight from a city in France near Bordeaux to within 12 miles of the coastline of New York in 1944?

[MadderCat]

please use the Search function in this forum......thank You



MadderCat

[ChrisMAg2]

Did a Junkers Ju 390 make a nonstop flight from a city in France near Bordeaux to within 12 miles of the coastline of New York in 1944?

To make an often told story short: No!
Regards
Christian M. Aguilar

[JeremyScott]

He might be mistaking the aircraft for the new york bomber that I believe Messerchmitt was designing.

[Troy Tempest]

Hi all! Can anyone provide any source material to back up the story about the FAGr 5 Ju 390 flight that was supposed to have taken place in Jan 44 from Mont-de-Marsan to within 12 miles off the NY coastline? I have two books that mention it and neither provide any source. There is another poster on another site whose opinion I respect and he claims the flight is mythical or probably mythical, and I was wondering if anyone can set the record straight for me one way or another please?

Troy

[Kurt_Steiner]

There is a thing called "Search function". Had you used it, you would have found 7 threads more or less related to this topic, like this one I would suggest you to read.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 57&start=0

[Troy Tempest]

Thanks Kurt! I'm sorry, I'm fairly new here, and DO forget to use the search function. I am having myself transferred to the Eastern Front immediately!

Troy

[Cantankerous]

He might be mistaking the aircraft for the new york bomber that I believe Messerchmitt was designing.

The Ju 390 was a different plane from the Me 264. The Ju 390 was derived from the Ju 90 transport and Ju 290 maritime patrol plane, while the Me 264 was a completely new design. Three Ju 390A-1 variants were planned, one for maritime patrol, one for transport, and a third of long-range bombardment.

[Cantankerous]

If you are really interested in this matter, you have to get a copy of the book " Die Grossen Dessauer" by Karl Kössler and Günther Ott. They do discuss the matter on the supposed New York flight at lenght, and confirm that it did not take place. At the time when the supposed flight shold take place, the Ju 390 was still undergoing trials in Prag-Rusin. The sources for this are the flightlogs of the men who made these trials.

I can only agree with Larry's comments. And it would be nice if people would stop to use Greens book as a primary source. It was nice for its time, but today must be considered a bit out of date.

Junker 8)

William Green's book is out of date, even if it is still a comprehensive account of German aircraft of World War II. As noted by Duffy (2004), Green told Kenneth P. Werrell that the rumor of the Ju 390 flying to Long Island to prove the Ju 390's capability to attack Manhattan was pure fantasy. Another outdated aspect of the book by Green is the account of the Ju 287's post-war sojourn, because the second Ju 287 prototype never flew, let alone flown in the USSR after WW2 (the six-jet bomber flown in the USSR in 1947-1948 was the EF 131), and a total of six Ju 287 prototypes were on contract (including the two technology demonstrators).

Duffy, James P., 2004. Target America: Hitler's Plan to Attack the United States. Santa Barbara, California: Greenwood Publishing Group. ISBN 0-275-96684-4.

[Cantankerous]

Hi all! Can anyone provide any source material to back up the story about the FAGr 5 Ju 390 flight that was supposed to have taken place in Jan 44 from Mont-de-Marsan to within 12 miles off the NY coastline? I have two books that mention it and neither provide any source. There is another poster on another site whose opinion I respect and he claims the flight is mythical or probably mythical, and I was wondering if anyone can set the record straight for me one way or another please?

Troy

According to a letter published in the November 1955 issue of the British magazine RAF Flying Review, of which aviation writer William Green was an editor, in June 1944, Allied Intelligence had learned from prisoner interrogations that the first and only completed Ju 390 prototype had been delivered in January 1944 to Fernaufklärungsgruppe 5, based at Mont-de-Marsan near Bordeaux in western France, and that it had completed a 32-hour reconnaissance flight to within 12 miles of NYC, taking aerial photographs of the coast of Long Island. This Allied intelligence report was rejected just after World War II by the British authorities, but the allegations about the Ju 390 in the British intelligence reports titled General Report on Aircraft Engines and Aircraft Equipment created an urban legend about the Ju 390 flying to within a few miles of Manhattan. Duffy (2004) notes that Green told historian Kenneth P. Werrell that the rumor of the Ju 390 flying to Long Island to test its capability to attack Manhattan lacked any credence. A 1969 news report in the Daily Telegraph titled "Lone Bomber Raid on New York Planned by Hitler" claimed that Hans Pancherz flew the Ju 390 on a test flight from Germany to Cape Town in early 1944, but this claim likewise was fictitious.

Duffy, James P., 2004. Target America: Hitler's Plan to Attack the United States. Santa Barbara, California: Greenwood Publishing Group. ISBN 0-275-96684-4.

[RFVD11]

I remember in 68/69 I read a series of Luftwaffe planes in the Fort Bragg reference library that made that same claim. Do not remember the author or titles.