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Fallschirmjager Regiment "von Hoffmann"

Post by bart85 » 17 May 2006 18:07

Fallschirmjager Regiment "von Hoffmann"
Somebody knows what that units was made and whats the story of this unit?
A have only information that i was part of Divisiongruppe Walther, Holland, September 1944.

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Post by Daniel L » 22 Jan 2007 14:32

I'm looking for information regarding vehicles and anti-tank guns used by this Kampfgruppe.

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Post by Revellations » 23 Jan 2007 13:17

Here is the Order of Battle for Regiment 'von Hoffmann' as at 05/09/44:

Regimentskommandeur - Oberst von Hoffmann
Regimentsadjutant - Oberleutnant Franz Josef Baumgardt

Batl. Kdr I Batl. - Major Hellmut Kerutt
Adjutant - Lt Heinz Volz

Batl. Kdr II Batl - Oberstlt. Stephan
Adjutant - Lt Hans Hermann Theodor Schmid

Kdr Pz-Jg-Kp. - Hauptmann Brockes

The only reference I have regarding heavy weapons is the Adjutant of 1st Battalion, Heinz Volz, makes mention of 'Factory-new' 7.62cm-Pz.-Abw.-Gesch. within Hauptmann Brockes kompanie. No numbers or vehicle descriptions given.

Hope that helps.

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Post by Daniel L » 23 Jan 2007 18:20

Thanks! So no PaK 40 but rather Soviet pieces? Regiment von Hoffmann was part of Kampfgruppe Walther, right? Or were they basically the same unit?

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Post by Bernd R » 23 Jan 2007 18:40

research by me is in progress.
thinking about KC holder Hellmut Kerutt , according Scherzer :
02.02.1945 Major Kdr Fsch.Jäg.Btl "Kerutt" [verst. I./Fsch.Jäg.Rgt 18 (alt)]

Btl "Kerutt" part of Rgt "von Hoffmann" seems to be clear.
Rgt "von Hoffmann" part of ?
thinking about Fsch.Jäg.Div "Erdmann" in the moment.

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Post by Revellations » 24 Jan 2007 11:07

Regiment von Hoffmann was not the same as Kampfgruppe Walther. The Regiment von Hoffmann was deployed in the direct path of XXX corps around Valkenswaard - well Kerutts Battalion was. This Battalion was under command of Kampfgruppe Walter. Need to look through my notes to see where the other Battalion was. Oberst Hoffman was made Stadt Commandant of Eindhoven - just for information.

Regarding the PAK - I found another source today which mentions The Pak company (Hptm Brockes) was attached to Kerutt's Battalion and he had 9 x 'factory-new' 7.62 guns. It also goes on to say that Kerutt lacked towing vehicles and as such the guns were deployed in exposed positions along the road.

These guns were knocked out in the prep artillery barrage by the Allies ( I assume all destroyed as I have no evidence to suggest otherwise) before XXX corps moved off. However the damage done to the leading elements of XXX Corps was a Pz Vernicht Zug (30 Men) from Btl. Kerutt with Pzfausts who took out 9 tanks and 1 Bren Carrier delaying the advance to Arnhem.

Thats about it - enjoy.

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Post by Revellations » 24 Jan 2007 11:16

Sorry - need to add that I found the II Btl (Oberstlt Stephan) location. It was fighting 17 - 20 Sept 1944 northwest of Lommel on the Mass-Schelde-Kanal loosing high casualites including a Company Commander (Oblt Kosters) and a few other officers. This location would also suggest it came under command of Kampfgruppe Walter but the OoB I have for Walter does not reflect this.

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Post by Bernd R » 24 Jan 2007 12:16

very interesting, Scott, you are quick :)

found out the following, not re-checked every aspect/detail ; think, we can put the image
together after re-reading and re-thinking.


from the Biblio KC holders series / Fallschirmjäger , Kerutt entry :
on 05.09.1944 Fsch.Jäg.Rgt „von Hoffmann“ (18 –alt-), which still was in training, was
alarmed at Halberstadt and transferred to Tilburg/Netherlands.

OOB at the beginning of operation “Market Garden” :
http://www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/frames.htm

Heeresgruppe B / Model
1. Fallschirmjäger-Armee / Student
LXXXVI. Armee-Korps / von Obstfelder
-> Kampfgruppe Walther / Oberst Erich Walther
-> Fsch.Jäg.Rgt „von Hoffmann“ :
I. , II. Btl ; strength: 900 (armament: 4 x 20L 113 FL Vierling)
Panzerjäger-Kompanie (armament: 11 x 75L 46 PaK 40)

if we find another source or confirmation, we would have your PaK 40, Daniel.

According this site :
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:GY ... 7&ie=UTF-8

In the beginning of the “Garden” offensive (XXX. Korps, Horrocks) at Joe’s Bridge / Lommel
the only german defensive counterpart was Kampfgruppe “Walther”, which was over-runned.

according to the above site
on 17.09.1944 Kgr Walther consisted of “10 weak btls and 10 assault guns”.

no direct confirmation found for 10 btls of the Kampfgruppe ; would assume that units of the
86. Armee-Korps were used to strengthen Kgr Walther ;
attached to 86. AK : FJD “Erdmann” / FJR 6 / 176. ID / SS-Kgr “Heinke” with II./SS-PGR 19,
II./SS-PGR 20, SS-Pz.Jäg.Abt 10 and other support units / Pz-Brig 107

The “10 assault guns” could be then from SS-Pz.Jäg.Abt 10 (?)


according Biblio Major Kerutt was awarded the KC for bravery during the fightings around
VENRAY. Since 18.09.1944 the remnants of Rgt “von Hoffmann” were called “Kampfgruppe Kerutt”.

According the above sources the fightings in the area VENRAY – OBERLOON – OPLOO / Maas River
took place between 27.09. – 01.10.1944 .

So, at this time there was only a minimized ex-Fsch.Jäg.Rgt “von Hoffmann”, which was
named Fsch.Jäg.Btl “Kerutt” or Kampfgruppe “Kerutt”.

There is also a report on Kampfgruppe "Walther" and the co-fighting with Pz-Brig 107
here : http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=512

regards, luchs

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Post by Bernd R » 24 Jan 2007 12:25

Scott, just noticed, you are running "defendingarnhem" ?

great site, pardon for any errors above :)
didn't found 86. AK at your site.

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Post by Revellations » 24 Jan 2007 13:22

Thanks for the kind comments about my site. My area of speciality is Arnhem but have a bit of information on the Germans during Market Garden.
didn't found 86. AK at your site.
- do not know what you mean here.

My sources are Operation 'Market Garden' - After the Battle books (2 volumes) edited by Karl Magry.

The other was a combat report written by the Adjutant of Kerutt's Battalion for the 10th Anniversary of the Battle in Sept 1954.

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Post by Bernd R » 24 Jan 2007 19:29

Thanks, Jan-Hendrik
difficult to trace LXXXVI. AK, many changes, Kgr "Walther" not mentioned.
Probably : under direkt command of 1. Fsch.Armee -> Armeetruppe
(whis is stated in Biblio Fsch.Jäg series)

Scott,
needed LXXXVI. Armee-Korps (86.) for eventually finding units that were used to strengthen
Kampfgruppe Walther, because of the statement "10 weak btls".
Thought, it should be on the Arnhem site, but it wasn't in nearer area of Arnhem, if I'm
correct, so you don't have it mentioned. That's all.

For further thinking and research found this feldgrau thread (details!):
http://www.feldgrau.net/phpBB2/viewtopi ... sc&start=0

Another two sites (their primary source unknown to me), which report the fighting of
Btl "Kerutt" Scott already stated :
http://home.wanadoo.nl/cclinks/abtf/sunday~2.html
http://www.panzerworld.net/marketgarden.php

beside the composition of Kampfgruppe "Walther", which seems to be difficult to find
out, the above two sites also mention 7,5 cm PaK and Stugs with Kgr "Walther" and
Btl "Kerutt", which is the second question of the thread (Daniel).

In the lottery concerning heavy weapons are the following (possible subordinated) units :
SS-Pz.Jäg.Abt 10 (which we can rule out after reading feldgrau)
Stug.Brig 280
schwere Pz.Jäg.Abt 559

As the reports seems to be from allied site, maybe they regarded the PaKs as 7,5cm
and didn't know that the russian 7,62 ("Ratsch-Bumm") were in German use as
F.K. 296(r) (=7,62-PaK 36 (r) ? My guess.
But what means "factory-new" (report by Adjutant Volz) ?
Were they in storage since capturing in 1941 ?

regards, luchs

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Post by Luft 76 » 26 Jan 2007 18:02

Hello all.

I just discover the forum and your thread. Very interesting.
According to "Stellenbesentzung der Fallschirmtruppe" , Fj Regt. von Hoffmann was the first name of FJR 18 (alt), of the 6. Fj Division (Kdr. Genltnt Plöcher). As several of you know, it was a little unit with only two bataillons and a Pz jäger Kp., mainly formed with misceleanous Lw units.
In 1990, I have had a letters exchange with former Oberst. in G. Helmuth von Hoffmann, because I have a german Wehrpass of a man of 14. kp. and I didn't know who was that unit :
Here are some views :
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3199/1001331zl3.jpg
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/8364/1001336ki8.jpg
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/8839/1001338qx5.jpg
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1156/1001339pp2.jpg

Bye.

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Post by Daniel L » 26 Jan 2007 18:17

I just ordered "Die deutsche Fallschirmtruppe 1942 - 1945: Einsätze auf Kriegsschauplätzen im Osten und Westen" by Hans-Martin Stimpel. Hopefully that book will clarify some on the matter.

Luft 76, very interesting to hear that you had contact with von Hoffmann. Did you only discuss the man of the Wehrpass?

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Post by Luft 76 » 26 Jan 2007 21:51

Of course, I ask him if he remembered the name of Uffz. Neumann, but unfortunatly, not. When I wrote to von Hoffmann, in 1990, he was 90 years old... And he told me that he didn't stay enough time with his unit to know each one.
For me, the interest of that contact was to know what was this mysterious Fj. Rgt. von Hoffmann who was completely unknow, in France or in documentation. Now it's different, with internet !

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