russian armored cutter/gunboats with tank turret

EDUARDO MAMORETTI · #1

Wanted any info about 1124/1125 and smaller tank turreted riverine patrol boats used by russians in ww2.
The particular doubt is that accoerding to some sources, it seems that the image in http://www.grandesguerras.com.br/armas/imagem01.php is not exactly a bk1125 but a smaller one!(see the distance between forward turret and the bow)
Thank you in advance

BIGpanzer · #2

Hi, Eduardo!
What exactly info do you need - photos, specifications, use in WWII, amount of production, etc.?
This is quite large topic as Soviets used armored boats quite widely and successfully on rivers, lakes and even on seas (as coastal gun/patrol boats).

Project "1124" (medium armored boats, 97 were built in 1936-1944) - 49.7-52.2 t; 25.3x4.04x0.85 m; 2x750-900 hp engines; 18-19.4 knots; 340 miles; 7-45mm armor; 17 crewmembers; 2 T-34 turrets + 1 turret with 2x12.7 MGs, 10 mines. Sometimes they were equipped with 82mm-132mm rocket launcher or turrets from T-35 heavy tanks.
http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/small/pic/bk221.jpg (Black Sea/Danube river, 1944)
http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/small/pic/bk314.jpg (Danube river, 1944)
http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/small/pic/bk433.jpg (preserved in Moscow)
http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/small/pic/bk162.jpg (preserved in Eisk)

Project "1125" (small armored boats, 151 were built in 1936-1944) - 26.8 t; 22.65x3.5x0.52m; 1x720-800 hp engine; 19.7 knots; 160-250 miles; 4-20 mm armor; 12 crewmembers; 1 T-34 or T-28 turret + 3 MG turrets PB-24, 6 mines.
http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/small/pic/1125m.jpg (with rear rocket launcher)
http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/small/pic/bk92.jpg (Dnieper river, 1944)
http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/small/pic/1125.jpg (Caspian Sea, 1943)
http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/small/pic/bk302.jpg (preserved in Khabarovsk)

Type S-40 (similar to "1125", 7 were built)
http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/small/pic/s40.jpg (Volga river)

Project "161" (large sea-going armored boats/skerry monitors, 20 were built in 1942-1944) - 160.8 t; 36.2x5.5x1.28 m; 2x1200hp engines; 13.6 knots; 450 miles; 12-52 mm armor; 39 cremembers; 2 T-34 turrets, 1 37mm AA gun, 2-3x12.7mm MGs DShK, sometimes 2x45mm guns or 1-2x82mm mortars.
http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/small/pic/mbk.jpg (launching)
http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/small/pic/bk506.jpg (Baltic Sea)

Project "186" (large sea-going armored boats/skerry monitors, 8 were built in 1944-1945 + 30 in 1945-1947) - 156.5 t; 36.2x5.2x1.5 m; 2x500 hp engines; 14 knots; 750 miles; 42 crewmembers; 8-20mm armor; 2 T-34-85 turrets, 1x37mm AA gun; 2x2x12.7mm DShK, 2x82mm mortars.
http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/small/pic/mkl.jpg (Baltic Sea)

Regards, BP

EDUARDO MAMORETTI · #3

Thank you very much, you provided fine material I have never seen!
To summ up, I was trying to scratchbuild a model strating by dimensions
and photos,since I have already got experience building models in such way.
I discovered differences in arranging of the turret, ie. the position of the forward turret
in some individual units ( both 1124/25 model) is closer to the bridge than in another
images! (see some of the excellent views you´ve kindly submitted),ie. the example converted into a monument mounted on a sort of pillar and compare to some of the another pics. That led me to get confused about the true lenght of hull versions,though now I think it would be rather the turret was mounted sometimes in different locations on the hull!
It would be nice to know your opinion,
Best regards

Hibrass · #4

EDUARDO

Mig models has a resin 1/35 scale of the 1124 series I think... If you do a google search for Mig Models you should be able to find a link to it...

Good Luck,

Ed

BIGpanzer · #5

Eduardo, here are some excellent scale pictures for model enthysiasts, I've just googled

There were some wartime modifications of those armored boats, so they were differ in details.

Pr. 1125 - http://warships.ru/MK/MK-20/1125.jpg
Pr. 1125 with 82mm rocket launcher - http://warships.ru/MK/MK-21/8m-8.jpg

Pr. 1124 - http://warships.ru/MK/MK-20/1124.jpg
Pr. 1124 - http://warships.ru/MK/MK-20/bk1124.jpg
Pr. 1124 with 82mm rocket launcher - http://warships.ru/MK/MK-21/24m-8.jpg
Pr. 1124 with 82mm rocket launcher and T-28 turret - http://warships.ru/MK/MK-21/m13-m1.jpg
Pr. 1124 with 76mm anti-aircraft guns instead of tank turrets - http://warships.ru/MK/MK-20/pvo1124.jpg

Pr. 161 - http://warships.ru/MK/MK-22/mbk161.jpg

Pr. 186 - http://warships.ru/MK/MK-22/mbk186.jpg

Blueprints for building scale model of Pr. 1125:
http://randewy.narod.ru/mod/bronekater.gif
http://randewy.narod.ru/mod/bronekater2.gif
http://randewy.narod.ru/mod/bronekater3.gif
PS. You need to click one more time on the file name, written on the orange line

Self-propelled model of Pr. 1124 (scale 1/50) - http://www.ship-model-club.dp.ua/jpg/tank.jpg

Some info - http://seawar.boom.ru/WW2/USSR/1125.html

EDUARDO MAMORETTI · #6

Dear Bigpanzer & Highbrass,
Tank you a lot to both you again!!!!

The new images provided convinced me about building differences that I should explore in order to take the better choice.
Concerning to the mig kit ( a real gem), please see this link,http://www.migproductions.com/MP/produc ... /35253.htm,
yes, it is very inspirative...
Don´t hesitate contact me in I can give you bac your kindness!

BIGpanzer · #7

You are welcome!
See also this page - http://www.hobbiesguinea.com/product_in ... ts_id=8189