German commanders in the Ottoman Army

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German commanders in the Ottoman Army

Post by Peter H » 09 Jun 2006 05:04

From Altay's excellent website: http://www.turkeyswar.com/army/oob.htm

Some of the individuals who commanded Turkish formations(however briefly)during the war:

Otto Liman von Sanders--1st Army,5th Army,Yıldırım Army Group

Colmar von der Goltz--1st Army,6th Army

Erich von Falkenhayn--Yıldırım Army Group

Kress von Kressenstein--XXII Corps,8th Army

General Weber--XV Corps

Colonel Nikolai--3rd Division,I Corps

Colonel Karl Trommer--10th Division,XIV Corps

Colonel Hans Kannengiesser--9th Division,XVI Corps

Lieutenant Colonel Hans Guhr--1st Division,29th Division

Colonel Wilmer--5th Division,24th Division

Colonel Havik--13th Division,12th Division

Lieutenant Colonel von Schraudenbach--14th Division

Colonel Böhme--24th Division

Major Hunger--34th Division

Lieutenant Colonel Tiller--46th Division


The first five officers are well known or have been previously discussed here on the forum. e.g. a previous topic on Weber here: viewtopic.php?t=72973


Does anyone know anything about the others?


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Colonel Hans Kannengiesser--9th Division,XVI Corps

Post by bob lembke » 11 Jun 2006 21:45

Peter;

I can only write a few words; I am exhausted. (Just put an air-conditioning system in and on top of my house. Amazingly, it works!)

Colonel Hans Kannengiesser wrote a good book on his experiences. I can't remember if I read it in German or English; I think it was translated. I think that the book is scarce.

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Post by Peter H » 13 Jun 2006 13:47

Thanks Bob.

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Post by alkankizil@tr.net » 05 Sep 2006 14:53

One should not forget the following:

General Hans von Seeckt, the chief of the general staff of Ottoman Army during 1917-18 (close friend of Enver Pacha)

General Bronsart von Schellendorff, deputy chief of the general staff

Lt.Colonel Franz von Papen, operations officer of Yildirim Army, later Chancellor of the Weimar Republic...


( Field Marshalls Von Runsted and Model held Gallipoli Star decorations. However I am not aware of when they were in Turkey during WW1)

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Post by bob lembke » 05 Sep 2006 16:42

I have the impression that the "Gallipoli Star" was not only given to soldiers who served at Gallipoli, but also was sometimes given out by, for example, high-ranking Turkish officers visiting Germany, to officers that they wanted to honor or stroke. They might also have been given out in the fighting in the Balkans or in Galicia. I have often seen photos of officers that I am fairly sure never served with the Turks wearing it. For example, Willi Rohr, the namesake of the famous Sturm=Bataillon Nr. 5 (Rohr). The unit held many training courses for allied personnel as well as German soldiers, and many demonstrations of storm techniques, which high-ranking Turkish officers must have attended on occasion. Anyone have something concrete on this?

Hoping that we have attracted some Gallipoli Star experts, I will take the liberty of asking a related question of my own. My father fought at Gallipoli with the volunteer Pionier Kompagnie that the Germans sent; according to his descriptions it must have been on the ANZAC bridgehead. He told me that he was accorded the Gallipoli Star. I have his Iron Cross, the associated document (awarded in 1921; he was a real pain in the ass to the command structure), an Iron Cross minature, his wound badge, and his "Hindenburg Cross", but no Gallipoli Star. Would they always have been physically given out when troops were "awarded" them? (He was a private.) Of course, it could have been lost after the award in the tumult of the war.

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Post by VJK » 05 Sep 2006 18:30

Hi Peter!

Just a few snippets of information:

Generalmajor Hans Kannengiesser (1868 - 1945)
Generalmajor Bruno Traugott Karl Trommer (1865 - ?)
Colonel August Nikolai
Colonel Erich Böhme
Colonel Havik is actually Colonel Albert Heuck

In addition, here are a few more German officers who served in the Turkish Army

Generalmajor Waldemar Pieper (14 Aug 1871 - 24 Feb 1945) - Inspector of Armaments
Generalmajor Werner von Frankenberg und Proschlitz (1868 - 1933)
Generalmajor August Heinrich Wilhelm Rohdewald (1866-1945)
Generalmajor Werner Eberhard Adolf Louis von Lenthe (1863-1942)

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Post by Peter H » 06 Sep 2006 09:31

Bob,

A thread on the Turkish War Medal 1915 by some experts here:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=696

My gut feeling is that enlisted ranks received it pinned on,a document accompanying it.However the tinny nature of it(officers normally upgraded to a privately purchased version) suggests it wasn't treasured well.

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Post by Peter H » 06 Sep 2006 09:32

Thanks for that VJK.

Something(in Turkish) here as well:

viewtopic.php?t=107127

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Re: German commanders in the Ottoman Army

Post by Elwyn W » 26 Dec 2011 15:49

Ludwig von Schraudenbach with the Turkish Order of the Mejidie.

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Re: German commanders in the Ottoman Army

Post by alkankizil@tr.net » 26 Dec 2011 17:56

Enver's operations officer during Sarikamish Campaign: Lt. Col. FELDMANN...

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Re: German commanders in the Ottoman Army

Post by Elwyn W » 26 Dec 2011 18:10

From Wikipedia:

2L - Otto v Feldmann
4L - Bronsart v Schelldorf
5L - Liman v Sanders
6L - v Weber


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Re: German commanders in the Ottoman Army

Post by alkankizil@tr.net » 27 Dec 2011 09:36

The most prominent German officer in the Turkish Army was Gen. Hans von Seect: chief of staff to Field Marshall von Mackensen on the Eastern Front and later Chief of Staff of Ottoman Armies in late 1917 and 1918. Eventually he was the founder and chief of the Reichswehr.

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Re: German commanders in the Ottoman Army

Post by Glenn2438 » 27 Dec 2011 11:48

From Wikipedia:
Major Etienne Perrinet v. Thauvenay: Kriegsministerium
Major Otto v. Feldmann: Großer Generalstab
Hauptmann Bodo v. König: Adjutant der Landwehr-Inspektion Erfurt
Oberst Friedrich Bronsart v. Schellendorff: Oberst von der Armee
Generalleutnant Otto Liman v. Sanders: Kdr. 22. Infanterie-Division
Oberst Erich Weber: Kommandeur der Pioniere XVI. Armeekorps
Militär-Intendanturrat Theodor Burchardi: Intendantur d. II. Armeekorps
Major August Nicolai: 5. Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 64
Oberstabsarzt Professor Dr. Georg Mayer: Militärärztliche Akademie (München)
Oberleutnant Carl Mühlmann: Kürassier-Regiment Nr. 8

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Re: German commanders in the Ottoman Army

Post by Elwyn W » 07 Jan 2012 14:48

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Per ... ungP-R.htm

Perrinet v Thhouvenay 1870 - 1927 last rank was GenMj.

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Re: German commanders in the Ottoman Army

Post by Elwyn W » 14 Jan 2012 20:43

Here's Obst Wilmer, here spelled as Willmer, second from left.

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