witness wrote:Scott Smith wrote:Goebbels burning books was a propaganda stunt. For something to actually be banned we need evidence of the books on police or customs lists or that the books are absolutely unavailable in libraries or for sale during those times. I'm not really seeing that evidence with this "list." Of course Nazi Germany didn't publish books by Jews during this period, but the Bundestablishment doesn't allow "Nazi" books to be published now either, a rather selective morality if you ask me.
Oh Yes !.. Whatever the Nazis did had to have some reasonable explanation Scott -"propaganda stunt " We just need to be a little lenient to them. Of course this kind of a propaganda stunt had nothing to do with your favourite "Thought crime " wording of "1984''
As ususal, witness you have missed my point by miles.
While nearly anyone could compile a list of books they would like to toss into Goebbels' purgative pyre--mine starting with Michael Jackson and ending with Eminem or Marilyn Manson, no doubt--as I think the famous propaganda stunt demonstrates, this is not how books are actually banned. I asked for more information and some of you have provided some good stuff.
When I first went to school there was a lot of pressure to burn "devil music" in the dorms. Nearly everyone in that part of Idaho was Mormon. I responded not by "burning" my Black Sabbath and Alice Cooper albums but by playing them in the dorm VERY loudly instead. Some parents in this in loco parentis institution of higher learning began to express "concerns" about me, which struck me as very odd because I was one of the minority that really didn't drink or smoke pot. Anyways, I got my stereo confiscated (because I was a "leader") but nobody touched my albums (except for one which was stolen, see below, and not even the worst of the lot). Next it was a campaign against R-rated movies and HBO and MTV because I replaced the stereo with a TV and a cable subscription (a lucrative business practice because with one cable subscription you could wire-up everybody's TV in the dorm for a few bucks).
The point is, nearly anyone favors Comstockery when it is something that THEY want to burn. But censorship is not about what YOU want to get rid of or keep. The whole idea of a LIBRARY is intellectual diversity, even stocking stuff that YOU (or the community) might not like. Public and academic libraries should have a good selection of stuff that does NOT sell very well in the bookstore.
Let's not supply a selective code of ethics here.
The Bundestablisment bans (maybe not with impressive bonfires) stuff from the extreme-Left and the extreme-Right. They are no better than the Nazis with their bonfires that they profess to Hate. One can't even have a model airplane with a historically-correct swastika on the rudder.
And yes, witness, you got one thing right! Goebbels' bonfire was EXACTLY an example of an Orwellian "two-minutes of Hate." But it is not unique to the Nazis. There are a lot of examples of this phenomenon.
Here is the CODE of ETHICS of the American Library Association. It is worth studying a bit the next time somebody wants to ban Charles Darwin or Germar Rudolf.
Btw, some communities still banned Miller's Tropic of Cancer in the 1960s, such as Los Angeles. Today some mothers are still campaigning to get stuff out of the library, like Steinbeck, Judy Blume, etc. And whatever happened to Little Black Sambo?
Would you burn THIS album, one of the all-time classics?