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SS Brigade Schuldt

Post by Andy H » 10 Nov 2002 16:40

SS Brigade Schuldt was formed on December 21st 1943, from:
7th Btn LSSAH
1ST Btn SS Polizei Regiment 1 (Mot)
Luftwaffe Fuhrer Flak Abt
It saw service on the Eastern Front during its existence.

Does anyone know what actions it fought in and what was its ultimate fate?
Nafziger lists the basic info as stated above but sheds no light on its fate and considering the units used in its formation Im somewhat surprised at this blank ending.

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Post by Timo » 10 Nov 2002 17:50

As a start:

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Brigadeführer Hinrich Rudolf Schuldt
(Hamburg-Blankenese, 14.06.1901- bei Ostrow, 15.03.1944)
Ritterkreuz am 05.04.1942 als SS-Obersturmbannführer und Kommandeur SS-Totenkopf-Rgt 4
Eichenlaub (220) am 02.04.1943 als SS-Standartenführer und Kommandeur SS-Brigade "Schuldt"
Schwerter (56) am 25.03.1944 als SS-Oberführer und Kommandeur 2.lett.SS-FreiwBrigade.
Hinrich Rudolf Schuldt ruht auf der vom Volksbund hergerichteten Kriegsgräberstätte in Riga-Waldfriedhof (Lettland)

Regarding the dates given by you (or Nafziger, notorious for errors in his WW2 research), it seems that SS-Brigade (sometimes referred to as Kampfgruppe) "Schuldt" existed from November 1942 until March 1943.

06.12.1944: After formation, SS-Brigade Schuldt is moved to the Eastern front
16.12.1942: The Brigade forms a defensive line between Millerovo and Meschkoff.
19.12.1942: SS-Brigade Schuldt is engaged in heavy combat. The unit defends itself from several Russian attacks.
01.01.1943: The Brigade is assigned to 6.Panzer-Division
13.01.1943: After taking part in the defense of Oveschkin, the Brigade breaks out of a Russian encirclement
23.01.1943: Regiment Der Führer is attached to SS-Brigade Schuldt
24.01.1943: SS-Brigade Schuldt attacks towards Sslavjanosserbsk.
28.01.1943: Counterattack falters; switches over to the defensive
29.01.1943: Der Führer regiment down to 29 men
14.02.1943: The Brigade reassembles at Krassnoskij
15.02.1943: The Brigade is attached to 15.Panzergrenadier-Division
25.02.1943: The Brigade is reinforced by a regiment from the 62.Infantrie-Division
07.03.1943: The remaining elements of Regiment Der Führer return to SS-Panzergrenadier-Division Das Reich
15.03.1943: SS-Brigade Schuldt is disbanded.

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Post by Andy H » 11 Nov 2002 13:49

Many thanks for your response Timo.

Taking on board your point regarding Nafziger, was the OoB given-correct?
Also does the SSLAH Div history by Lehmann cover the 7th Btn's move to Schuldt?

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Post by Mark V. » 12 Nov 2002 17:30

KG Schuldt (Staf.Hinrich Schuldt, RKT)
Structure (not complete):
-I./SS-Polizei-Schützenregiment 1 - only 2 companies (2nd and 3rd) - Stubaf. Wilhelm Dietrich (RK and DKiG)
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-VII./LSSAH (Hstuf. Lantscher)
-Führer-Flak Abt. (only a few guns)
-I./SS-Rgt."DF" (Hstuf. Opficius), 14./"DF", a platoon from 16./"DF" (Oscha. v.Eberstein), two batteries from SS-AR 2 and one from SS-Flak Abt.2 (from 28 January-7 March 1943). A few other units were subordinated to the reinforced battalion (FEB 30, a volunteer company of straglers (Ostuf. Dahl), 105mm gun and 2 anti-tank guns from the Army). This reinforced battalion suffered considerable loses because of frostbites in the first few days of action (before being assigned to the KG Schuldt).

Here are just several facts about KG's actions, for more details check out (Weidinger, Husemann, Lehmann (you can see a few pages on the Amazon.com, I'm still waiting for my copy to arrive) , Krätschmer).

On 5 December the I./SS-Polizei-Schützenregiment 1 was loaded on trains and sent to the Southern sector of the Eastern Front. The KG Schuldt, to which this battalion belong to, occupied defensive positions to the West of Don, which was held by the Italian 8th Army. When the Russians attacked the Italians retreated without a fight. Parts of the I./SS-Polizei-Schützenregiment 1 became separated from the main body of the KG (1st and 4th companies). But inspite of all this difficulties the KG still managed to critically delay the Russian advance to Donez and thus enabling the 1st and 4th Panzer Armies to retreat through Rostov. On 28 January the KG was already reinforced with elements from Das Reich division (reinforced I./"DF"). Because of its battle spirit, fire power and speed, this battalion soon makes its reputation with the Russians. "The Russians were scared of them as hell" (Krätschmer). The battalion especially proved its worth during the fightings around Voroshilov in early February.
7 March - the reinforced I./"DF" receives orders to rejoin itsr division, the battalion is reorganized in 2 rifle companies (Lex and Pahnke) and one heavy company (Rudolph) - still a strong unit.
15 March - the KG is disbanded.
25 March - I./SS-Polizei-Schützenregiment 1 is sent back to Debica.

I./SS-Polizei-Schützenregiment 1 was left with 84 men from original 527 and VII./LSSAH with 38 from original 800.

2 April - Hinrich »Käptn« Schuldt receives the Oak Leaves.

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Post by Andy H » 12 Nov 2002 18:30

Many thanks Mark V

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Post by Peter J. Hertel » 12 Nov 2002 21:52

Hi Andy,

This is just a quick post on the structure of SS-kampfgruppe "Schuldt" for 24 December 1942, because it is from a hand drawn K.St.N. it is a little hard to decipher, so it will take me a while to complete. So here is the main components.

motorised Brigade Staff "Schuldt"

Lw. Feld. Btl. 100 (HG = "Hermann Göring)
    3 Schützen kompanien
    1 Pak (12 s. Pak)

I./Polizei Regt.
    3 Schützen Kompanien
    1 s. Kompanie (I.G. zug)
    1 s. Pak zug
VII./A.H.
    3 Schützen kompanen
    1 schw. Kompanie
    1 Pi. zug
    1 Pak zug ?
    1 I.G. zug

Führer Begl. Btl.
    1 Schützen Kompanie
    1 schw. Kompanie (4 s. Pak 40, 2 Flammenwerfer)
    1 gem. Pz. Kompanie (8 Pz. IV, 13 Pz. III)


I have more to come for you, please bear with me. Work calls.

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Post by Andy H » 12 Nov 2002 22:19

Looking forward to your next post Peter-Thanks

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Post by Andy H » 15 Nov 2002 21:34

Peter, sorry to be the pai in the ***, but you got any further info?

Kind Regards

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Post by Peter J. Hertel » 19 Nov 2002 16:50

Hi Andy,

Sorry for taking so long. I've been very busy with other requests.

Here is the rest of the units, don't forget this is a handwittten and handrawn drawn chart , so it may have altered at a later date.

Hq tank battalion 503 with 1 kompanie
11 Tigor (Pz. VI)
11 Pz. III

Hq Tank battalion 138 with Stabs kompanie
3 m. Pz Kompanie = 30 Pz. IV lg?
1 Werkstatt zug

1 batterie / LSSAH
1 l.F.H. batterie (4 gesch.)

HQ motorised light artillery battalion 935
3 leichte F.H. Kompanie (4 gesch. each)

HQ motorised light artillery battalion 934 with Stabs Kompanie
3 leichte F.H. batterie (4 gesch. each)


515 Pz. Jg. Kp. = 12

516 Pz. Jg. Kp. = 12

517 Pz. Jg. Kp. = 12

518 Pz. Jg. Kp. = 12

Motorised Flak Abt. z.b.V. 100
3 batteries 8,8cm Flak
2 batteries 2cm Flak

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BTW - Did you ever serve in the "Andrew".

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Post by Andy H » 20 Nov 2002 19:20

Peter-Many thanks-Time to digest the info and no doubt come back with more questions 8O

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Brigade Schuldt revisited

Post by Abel Ravasz » 11 Nov 2003 17:42

This thread has been started exactly one year ago. As there have been no other threads about this most obscure unit since then, I decided to bring it "up" and ask...

Anyone has some more info about this unit? Any bits are welcome.

Andy, how far have you gone in your researches back then?

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Post by Mark V. » 12 Nov 2003 11:05

Hi Abel!

After reading a few more references, I'm quite certain that KG Schuldt never existed as per Peter's KStN (especially not in Decmber), probably just on paper - it includes just about every unit sent to the Southern section of the Ostfront in late 1942/early 1943.

It was first composed from I./Polizei.Inf.Rgt.1, VII./LAH and few guns from Führer FlakAbt., when the Russian offensive (20.12.1942) split the KG in two.
The larger part of the KG (1.), with Schuldt, retreated to the South, while the smaller one (2.) to the East.
(1.) Schuldt soon left the KG to create a new KG, thus Dietrich became the commander - KG Dietrich. It was able to reach German lines at Tazinskaja-Morosovskaja, where it was subordinated to 6., 7. and 11.Panzer division.
(2.) this part (2 1/2 companies) was able to fight its way to Milerovo and became the mobile reserve of KG Kreysing (3.Geb.Div.).

In the meantime Schuldt was ordered by Fretter-Pico with the creation of a new KG (Stab, Lw-FeldBtl., 1 mot.btl. 304.Inf.Div., Pz.Abt.138, elements of 4./SS-Pol.Inf.Rgt.1 plus different Flak units), with orders to relieve Milerovo. It then moved to Woroshilovgrad where it was reinforced with I./"DF"(23.1.), then Stoßgruppe Dahl (the "SS-survivors" from Milerovo) and on 19.2.1943 finally with KG Dietrich (or rather what was left of it).

Hope this helps (if you have any other question feel free to ask)
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Post by Abel Ravasz » 12 Nov 2003 18:57

Thank you Marko for your reply. Indeed it helped me a lot a but still there are some unclear things for me.

1. When was the unit #1 formed?

2. The position of the unit before the Soviet offensive, as given by Timo in a post above was "Meschkoff - Millerovo". Indeed, the distance between these two cities are 80 kms, so, does this mean that the unit was spread into this length, or, was it split up between the two positions? The solution no. 2 would also tell us why the unit was split into two pieces.

3. Is there any info available on which HQs the unit was subordinated to through its career?

4. When did Pz Abt 138 become part of the A-A Fretter-Pico?

5. What was the initial composition of the A-A Fretter Pico? (my guess: 304. ID, 3. Geb, Schuldt)

6. The site wssob.com lists the unit as being attached to "15. PG Div" from Feb 15. As this cannot be correct, could this be a typo for 16. PG (16. mot at the time)?

I'm really looking forward to your answers;

Best,

Abel

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Post by Mark V. » 13 Nov 2003 00:14

Hi Abel!

I made a big mistake in my previous post.

I./SS-Pol.IR1 arrived on the front in two transports and thus became separated right from the start, the 2nd transport (1. and 4.) came only to Tschertkowo, where it organized the town's defenses. KG Schuldt with Battalion Dietrich (Stab, 2., 3. and parts of 4.) arrived to Meschkoff but was then attacked by superior forces and had to retreat. The KG was (again) split in two: larger part retreating to the South and smaller (Dahl) to SW - Millerowo.

More info later.
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Post by Mark V. » 13 Nov 2003 14:15

1. When was the unit #1 formed?

2. The position of the unit before the Soviet offensive, as given by Timo in a post above was "Meschkoff - Millerovo". Indeed, the distance between these two cities are 80 kms, so, does this mean that the unit was spread into this length, or, was it split up between the two positions? The solution no. 2 would also tell us why the unit was split into two pieces.



According to Husemann the formation of the KG Schuldt (also known as SS-Gruppe Schuldt, SS-Brigade Schuldt) was officially ordered on 21.12.1942, Lehmann on the other hand gives an impression of an earlier date. Nevertheless both units were sent to the east on 5. and 7. December, each with two transports, and arriving there on 16. and 17.December. Both LSSAH transports arrived in Meshkov on schedule, I./SS-Pol.IR1 wasn't so lucky.

I./SS-Pol.IR1
1st transport: Stubaf.Dietrich with most of the Btl.Stab, 2., 3. and elements from the other two companies;
2nd transport: the remaining elements of Stab, 1. and 4. company;
Both transports arrived in Starobelsk on the 16th, but while the 2nd was left behind, the 1st one was moved forward through Millerovo to Chertkovo (18.12.), where it was unloaded and reached Meshkov in an overland march in the evening. The 2nd transport arrived in Chertkovo on 19.12. and was surprised by Russian tanks while unloading from trains. The unit immediately organized the town's defenses and beat off the attack. On the 22nd it received substantial reinforcements - KG Pohlmann - FBB, all units in Chertkovo were then organized in KG Göhler (4. and 5.(Pz)/FBB, 1. and 4./SS-Pol.IR1, I., II. and III./538, sPzJg.517, I./Pz.Gren.Rgt.63 (17.Pz.Div.), SS-Bttr. Krause, etc.).

KG Schuldt
On 19.12. the Russians threatened to encircle Meshkov, Schuldt pulled back but not quite in time to escape. The KG was cut in two by a column of Russian tanks, forcing the two groups to withdraw in different directions. The main group under Schuldt (KG Schuldt) moved in the direction of the Bistraya river while the smaller one (Stoßguppe Dahl - 1., most of 2. and elements of 4./Wachbattalion) to Millerovo.

3. Is there any info available on which HQs the unit was subordinated to through its career?


KG Schuldt (I) from circa 20.12 onwards known as KG Dietrich (or SS-battalion or SS-battalion Dietrich)

18.12.42-2?.12.42 - A.A-Fretter-Pico
2?.12.42 - 1.1.43 - XXIX.AK
1.1.- 11.1.43 - 6.Pz.Div.
11.1.- 17.1.43 - KG von Steinkeller - 7.Pz.Div.
17.1.- 3.2.43 - 6.Pz.Div.
3.2. - 19.2.43 - 22.Pz.Div.
19.2. - 15.3.43 - KG Schuldt

KG Schuldt (II)

5.1.-30.1. - AA Fretter-Pico
30.1.-3.2.- 304.Inf.Div.
3.2.-12.2. - 6.Pz.Div./XXXXVIII.PK
12.2.-14.2. - 304.Inf.Div.
14.2.-15.2. - XXI.AK
15.2.-18.2. - 22.Pz.Div.
18.2.-??.2. - 304.Inf.Div.
22.2.-15.3. - XXX.AK

the lists are composed from the sources listed bellow so some mistakes are possible.

4. When did Pz Abt 138 become part of the A-A Fretter-Pico?


According to Nipe it was already available when the AA Fretter-Pico was formed.

5. What was the initial composition of the A-A Fretter Pico? (my guess: 304. ID, 3. Geb, Schuldt)


Armeeabteilung Fretter-Pico:

Though formed a few days earlier AA Fretter-Pico (XXX.AK) officially took over the sector on 23.12.1942 (Scheibert).

Befehlshaber: Gen.d.Art. Fretter-Pico
Chef d. Generalstabes: Oberst i.G. Botsch

Composition (23.12.1942):
304.Inf.Div. - the only full strength division available to Fretter-Pico; this was an inexperienced outfit transferred from France where it was manning coastal defenses, nicknamed Champagnedivision;
Gruppe Kreysing - basically a reinforced Geb.Jäg.Rgt.144, remaining 3.Geb.Div.'s elements were engaged at Velikije Luki and Novosokolniki;
SS-Gruppe Schuldt
Rests of 8.(ital.) Army, XXIX.AK (from 28.12.42 with Armeegruppe Holidt), 298.Inf.Div. and various alarm units.

6. The site wssob.com lists the unit as being attached to "15. PG Div" from Feb 15. As this cannot be correct, could this be a typo for 16. PG (16. mot at the time)?


As shown above both units (SS-Brigade Schuldt and SS-Battalion Dietrich) were subordinated to 22.Pz.Div. at this time.

The info comes from Scheibert, Paul, Nipe, Lehmann, Husemann, Spaeter.

Hopefully the post wasn't too long :D .
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