Why did Germany consider Hungarians as Honorary Aryans?

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Why did Germany consider Hungarians as Honorary Aryans?

Post by Garuda » 01 Aug 2006 18:24

I'm not sure what a Honorary Aryan is but I suppose it was some title given to non-Aryan nations on the Axis side which could benefit the Third Reich like Japan and Hungary.

1)Why did Hitler consider the Hungarians as Honorary Aryans?Is it because there was this theory that their Magyar ancestors were Asians?

2)This may seem off topic,but were the Magyar's Asians anyway?I think there is a neo-nazi movement that considers the Hungarians as white so therefore the Magyars could not have been Asian.

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Post by Christian W. » 01 Aug 2006 20:45

Hungarians are Finno-Ugric people. Don't try to make sense out of the national socialist racial policies.

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Post by Serbian boy » 01 Aug 2006 21:17

Hungarians are not asians for sure!

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Post by Garuda » 02 Aug 2006 07:30

Christian W. wrote:Hungarians are Finno-Ugric people. Don't try to make sense out of the national socialist racial policies.
The Finno-Ugric peoples are caucasians/white right?

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Post by Garuda » 02 Aug 2006 07:33

Serbian boy wrote:Hungarians are not asians for sure!
I have a book with just a rough painting in which the Magyars are shown wearing mongol-like clothing and have black asian-stereotype moustaches.So if the magyars are not Asians,then what did they really wear and what skin colour were they?

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Post by Tom Hajas » 02 Aug 2006 13:51

Dear All,

Nazis have never considered Hungarians as aryans, we have been on the list also...
A tension between Hitler and the Hungarian Governor, Miklós Horthy, was regular from the beginning.
That is why finally the Germans occupied the country in 03/44.
Hungary was teh only country who stopped the deportation of Jews in 06/44 (!) using the 1st Armored Divioson at Budapest. Nice relationship....
Unfortunately in 10/44 a Nazi coup defeated the Governor and Hungarian Nazis came to power which brought the country into the bloody horror of war.

From the ancient Hungarians:
There are couple of theories, just pick the 2 official ones:
1., Finn-Ugor family, coming from Middle Asia around 600 AD.
2., Ancestors were the Huns, King Attila, one tribe stayes in Erdély (Transylvania) called Székelys and other came back around 800 AD.

Establishment of the Hungarina Kingdom is 1000 AD.


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Post by Serbian boy » 02 Aug 2006 23:17

Garuda wrote:
Serbian boy wrote:Hungarians are not asians for sure!
I have a book with just a rough painting in which the Magyars are shown wearing mongol-like clothing and have black asian-stereotype moustaches.So if the magyars are not Asians,then what did they really wear and what skin colour were they?
Hungarians are for sure white peoples,I know many hungarians and all of them are white,I never saw mongoloid Hungarian.

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Post by Pisti3 » 03 Aug 2006 07:49

This topic has a very bad expression.Hungari's reason was all other joining the war then the Arian tale.

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Post by CroSpartacus » 05 Aug 2006 21:18

Hungarians were actually Hunnic people were they not? they settled in Hungary during the Hunnic invasions which is how they got their name, HUNgary

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Post by Pisti3 » 07 Aug 2006 06:47

Hungarians are finnugor people.The huns were some hundred years before them. :?
Anyway my skin is white, my eyes are blue-grey and my hair is light brown.


This is a bad and sick topic once again.

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Post by DenesBernad » 07 Aug 2006 22:34

CroSpartacus wrote:Hungarians were actually Hunnic people were they not? they settled in Hungary during the Hunnic invasions which is how they got their name, HUNgary
The actual name is Magyarország, i.e. The Country of Magyars.
Hungary is only the English version of the name.

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Post by johnny_bi » 21 Aug 2006 00:07

Well,

The real question is: did the Germans consider the Hungarians as Aryans ? Was it important for the Germans to consider the Hungarians, the Romanians, the Italians, etc as being Aryans ? I really doubt...

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Post by Attila Tassy » 23 Aug 2006 15:41

Genetically the Hungarians are indo european/slavic.

Check out this genetic research:

http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/S ... _p1155.pdf

Hungarians have more EU19 haplotype marker then the Polish people, and that is the Indo European / Slavic marker.
This is very funny, because the Hungarians are mostly anti-slavic, and the majority of the Hungarians never realized, that genetically they are a part of the Slavic nations. [Not culturally, since they are finno-ugric]

So how is this possible? Its very simple. The white history site is absolutely correct in this topic. It says, that the original conqueror Magyar tribes were almost totally destroyed in the 850-950 period. The original Magyars were finno-ugric, but there is no data about their genetical background, so we cant be sure, that they were totally white or not. Present day Hungarian population are almost totally originated from the ancient slavic people, who were living in these lands during the Magyar invasion. That is why the Hungarians got such a high amount from the EU19 haplotype genetic marker. Average they have 60% from the EU19 genes, while the Poles got 56-58%. The most can be found in Bielorussians.

Now back to the topic. The third reich had no clue about the origins of the modern Hungarian people, and they didnt knew, that the present day Hungarian population is slavic genetically. Interesting, isnt it?


Btw, do a search in google "Hungarian models" for example, and you will find lot of blue eyed slavic looking beauties with blond hair. Most of the Hungarians are absolutely slavic looking anthropologically with alpine/dinaric/noric elements mostly.

The second funny thing is, that the real Aryans were the indo-europeans -> Slavs. The indo european haplotype marker is the EU19. So if we look at this question from this perspective, Poland, Hungary, Bielorussia, Russia and some other countries, where the EU19 genetic marker can be found in high amounts are the real Aryan nations, and not the Germanic nations like Germany, where the EU19 marker can be found in much less amounts.

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Post by Uninen » 26 Aug 2006 12:18

Garuda wrote:
Christian W. wrote:Hungarians are Finno-Ugric people. Don't try to make sense out of the national socialist racial policies.
The Finno-Ugric peoples are caucasians/white right?
Yes we are, but "Finno-Ugric" isnt ethnicality, but a way of speak "language group", there is no genetical connection say between Finns and Hungarians, Finns being nordic (blue eyes, blonde hair so on common around here) and Hungarians on other hand are like Romanians and Bulgarians ie, something of a mix of slav and southern europeans, the "mediterranean type".

And no, we Finns are not of mongol stock. :|

Regards.

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Post by Christian W. » 26 Aug 2006 13:15

"Finno-Ugric" isnt ethnicality
That is not certain.
Finns being nordic
The origins of the Finnish people are not certain. The talk about us being Nordic people is just one theory.
blue eyes, blonde hair so on common around here
...in some peoples opinion.
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Finno-Ugrian Theory

The most widely accepted theory of the Magyar's origin is the Finno-Ugrian concept. Advocates of this theory believe the linguistic and ethnic kinship between the Hungarians and the Finns, Esthonians, Ostyaks and Voguls provide evidence for the origin of the Magyars. This relation of the Magyars with the Finns places the ancient homeland of the Finno-Ugrians on both sides of the southern Ural Mountains. The advocates of this theory insist that Magyars came from this group in the Urals, and as the theory explains, it was about 2000 B.C. that the Finnish branch broke away to settle in the Baltic area. The Magyars remained on the West Siberian steppes with the other Ugrian peoples until 500 B.C. It was then that the Magyars crossed the Urals westward to settle in what is present day Soviet Bashkiria, north of the Black Sea and the Caucasus. The Magyars remained here for centuries. It was from the region of Soviet Bashkiria that the Magyars started their migration westward toward the Carpathians.


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