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Parfondruy - Trial Heinrich Goltz

Post by Davy » 06 Aug 2006 20:50

Hi,
i'm looking for info about the trial of Heinrich Goltz and the killing of civilians
at Parfondruy in Stavelot during the Battle of the Bulge.

Who are the other SS-members on the trial and what did they do,
where and when was this trial (Belgium?),
and how many years did they sit in prison?

Alsoo other info (names, OoB, pictures,...) about Kampfgruppe Knittel is still welcome?

Greatings Davy.

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Post by Harro » 07 Aug 2006 16:59

I have researched this is detail but I am on holiday and my files are at home.

In short:

"Who are the other SS-members on the trial and what did they do" - see the information I posted in the topic linked by Büffel. For more info I must check my files.

"where and when was this trial (Belgium?)" - In Liège (Lüttich, Luik) in 1948

"and how many years did they sit in prison?" - Goltz was sentenced to 15 years imprisonment but served less. I must check my files for details when I am back home

"Alsoo other info (names, OoB, pictures,...) about Kampfgruppe Knittel is still welcome?" - you'll have to tell me very specific what you want to know about KG Knittel. I simply have to much information in my files. But this topic...

viewtopic.php?t=103951

...might help as I have posted pics of Reuß and Coblenz there.

Also check your pm box.

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Post by Harro » 07 Aug 2006 18:51

In addition, as I suppose your native tongue is Dutch (Flemish). I once posted this short biography of Goltz in a Dutch forum...
Heinz Goltz (SS-Nr. 423 607) werd op 28 juni 1921 in Stade bij Allenstein (Ostpreußen) geboren en nam in 1939 dienst in de Waffen-SS. Hij dient in de Panzerspähzug van de Leibstandarte waaruit eind 1940 de 3. (Pz.Späh.-) Kompanie van de Aufklärungsabteilung ontstaat. In januari 1941 staat hij in de personeelslijsten als Sturmmann in deze Kompanie. Hij maakt de strijd op de Balkan en de aanval op de Sovjet-Unie mee alvorens hij van november 1941 tot en met april 1942 de 7. Kriegs-Junker-Lehrgang aan de Junkerschule Braunschweig volgt. Daarna keert hij als Untersturmführer naar de Aufklärungsabteilung terug en voegt zich als Zugführer bij zijn oude Kompanie, inmiddels door een reorganisatie de 4. (Pz.Späh.-) Kompanie. Na een herstelperiode in Frankrijk vertrekt de divisie naar het Charkow-front waar Goltz op 12 maart 1943 gewond raakt aan zijn scheenbeen als zijn Panzerspähwagen door een Panzerbuks getroffen wordt. Bij Kurks heeft hij, ondanks dat hij nogsteeds Untersturmführer is, de leiding over de hele 4. (Pz.Späh.-) Kompanie en opnieuw raakt hij gewond. Ditmaal op 8 juli bij Mal Majatschki door granaatsplinters in zijn rug en linker arm. Op 30 augustus krijgt Goltz vanwege deze verwondingen het Verwundetenabzeichen in zilver. Niet veel eerder had hij de rang van Obersturmführer gekregen en vanwege zijn post als Kompanieführer verblijft hij van 13 september tot 9 oktober als cursist aan de Kompanieführer-Schule in Versailles. Daarna keert hij terug naar de Aufklärungsabteilung van de Leibstandarte en neemt het bevel over de Panzerspähkompanie weer op zich. Na de vernietigende gevechten in de Oekraïne verblijft de zwaar aangeslagen Leibstandarte in Turnhout in België. Op 6 juni 1944, de dag van de geallieerden invasie in Normandië, vertrekt Goltz naar Duitsland om zijn verloofde Margotte Neuendorf te huwen. Na afloop van zijn verlof vertrek hij op 26 juni spoorslags naar het invasiefront. Na de gevechten in Normandië en de vlucht uit de Falaise Kessel wordt de divisie tot in Duitsland teruggetrokken. Als Ferdinand Oetter begin december bij een luchtaanval omkomt neemt Goltz het bevel over de Stabskompanie over. Deze Kompanie leidt hij in de Ardennen en in Hongarije. Hij overleefde de oorlog maar werd al snel gearresteerd in een krijgsgevangenenkamp en stond in 1948 in Luik terecht voor oorlogsmisdaden. Hij werd veroordeeld tot 15 jaar gevangenschap maar kwam na acht jaar vrij. Goltz leeft tegenwoordig een teruggetrokken bestaan.

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Post by Davy » 08 Aug 2006 19:59

Thanks Timo,
that is great info.
Do you have the names of the SS-members who are tried together with Goltz?
Here is a picture of the grave of SS-Untersturmführer Heinrich Dröge?
He is buried in Lommel, Belgium.
Where can i found a casualtylist of SS-men (LSSAH, Das Reich, Hitlerjugend, Hohenstaufen...) who are been killed in the Bulge?

Greatings Davy.
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Post by dylan » 08 Aug 2006 20:40

Trial from 28/6 until 31/7/1948

sentenced 12 years Kilat Ernst
10 years : Liethold Edgar,Liebersbach Kasimir,Zagler Max, Scierra Franz
Mahl Ernst,Rosenke Richard,Schairer Alfred
Acquittal Tremmel Heinz.

all are listed as SS Schutze.

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Post by Harro » 09 Aug 2006 14:37

Those are indeed the names. The grave at Lommel is indeed the Untersturmführer who led the Pionierzug in the Ardennes, the man responsible for the killings in Parfondruy.

Ludwig Sieber, the Untersturmführer who led the III. Zug of the 2. Kompanie in the Ardennes, the man responsible for the killings in the Legaye House in Stavelot, was killed in action on April 2, 1945, in Steinabrückl in Austria. He was in command of the 2. Kompanie at that time. Unterscharführer Herold and his driver Rottenführer Bilan, took the body with them on the engine deck of an SPW but later left the body behind in an unknown hamlet when the villagers promised to burry Sieber. His body has not been recovered by the Volksbund and he is listed as missing in action.

As for the other question: no such casualty list exists.

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Post by Davy » 10 Aug 2006 20:07

Thanks Timo and Dylan.

Dylan, these men, are they in the Pionierzug of Dröge?

Timo, i'm looking for everything about the SS in the Bulge, specialy LSSAH (OoB, pictures, storys, KIA, ...).
There is so mutch to find about the SS, but i'm only interested in the actions of the 6.Panzerarmee in the Battle of the Bulge.
Do you know where i can find the personalliste of the SS.AA1, and other units of december 1944?

And if anyone have more names of SS-men buried in Lommel, i want to take a picture of the grave and post it here.

Greatings Davy.

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Post by Harro » 12 Aug 2006 20:29

Such a Personalliste does not exist for December 1944, they did not survive the war. Problem is, if I post everything I have written and collected about SS AA 1 here, it would be almost 500 pages of unit history and thousands of pages from my files: documents, letters from veterans, photo's, etc. That's why I asked if you have specific questions. Did you check the PM I've send you?

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Post by Davy » 13 Aug 2006 09:37

Thanks Timo,
This is the info i've found already about the OoB during the Battle of the Bulge.
I hope this is right and have you more names?
And what kind of vehicles they have and howmany?

SS-PzAufklAbt.1
kommandeur : Sturmbannführer Gustav Knittel Ritterkreuz - Nahkampfspange Gold
fährer SPW (chauffeur Knittel) : August Rauber
adjudant IIa : Untersturmführer Siegfried Stiewe
IVa : Obersturmführer Franz Bartnick
artz IVb : Hauptsturmführer Walter Hann
TFK ?? : Untersturmführer Rudolf Kupka

Stab./SS.PzAufklAbt.1
kommandeur : Untersturmführer Heinrich Goltz (Stavelot - Parfondruy)
?? : Untersharführer Josef Pries (KIA 4/1/45)

Stab./SS.PzAufklAbt.1 Pionierzug
kommandeur : Untersturmführer Heinrich Dröge (Stavelot - Parfondruy) (KIA 22/12/44)

Stab./SS.PzAufklAbt.1 Kradschützenzug
kommandeur : Oberscharführer Theo Gernt DKiG

2./SS.PzAufklAbt.1
kommandeur : Obersturmführer Manfred Coblenz (Tried Malmedy Massacre)

2./SS.PzAufklAbt.1 Zug.1
?? : Unterscharführer Wilhelm Gilbert DKiG - Nahkampfspange Gold

2./SS.PzAufklAbt.1 Zug.3
kommandeur : Untersturmführer Ludwig Sieber (Stavelot - Maison Legaye) (KIA 2/4/45)

3./SS.PzAufklAbt.1
kommandeur : Obersturmführer Hans-Martin Leidreiter DKiG

4./SS.PzAufklAbt.1
kommandeur : Obersturmführer Heinz Wagner
- SdKfz.251/9 - lost in Stavelot - Place St.Remacle - hit by a US Sherman B-15

Versorgungskompanie./SS.Pz.AufklAbt.1
kommandeur : Obersturmführer Fritz Reuss DKiG - Nahkampfspange Gold?

unknown unit :
Obersturmführer Emil Wawrzinek DKiG (KIA 1/4/45)

Please correct me if i'm wrong?
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Post by Harro » 13 Aug 2006 15:19

It would be quite a job to add all I know to your list. My Ardennes chapter is currently 46 pages and my list with short biographical data is another 140 pages. I hope this is sufficient for what you want.

Stellenbesetzungsliste der SS-Panzer-Aufklärungs-Abteilung 1 LSSAH

Abteilungsstab: Sturmbannführer Gustav Knittel (RK/DkiG/NSG. Fahrer: August Hollenbacher)
Adjutant: Untersturmführer Siegfried Stiewe (gef. 27/3/1945)
Verwaltungsführer: Obersturmführer Franz Bartnick
(IVb) Arzt: Hauptsturmführer Walter Hann (Dr. Med.)
TFK: Untersturmführer Rudi Großer

Stabskompanie: Obersturmführer Heinz Goltz
Nachrichtenzug: Oberscharführer Fritz Wiese (gef. 1/4/1945)
Panzerspähzug:
Pionierzug: Untersturmführer Heinrich Dröge (gef. 22/12/1944)
Kradschützenzug: Oberscharführer Theo Gernt (DkiG)
Fahrradzug: Untersturmführer Erich Kollatschny (gef. 3/1945)

2. (le. SPW.-) Kompanie : Obersturmführer Manfred Coblenz (Fahrer: Hermann W.)
I. Zug: Unterscharführer Wilhelm Gilbert
II. Zug: Untersturmführer Wilhelm Farny
II. Zug: Untersturmführer Ludwig Sieber (gef. 2/4/1945)
IV. (schw.-) Zug: Unterscharführer Horst Jakob (gef. 17/1/1945)

3. Kompanie: Obersturmführer Hans-Martin Leidreiter (DkiG/NSS. Fahrer: August Rauber)
I. Zug: Untersturmführer Adolf Haschberger (gef. 7/1/1945)
II. Zug: Untersturmführer Gieseke

4. (schw.-) Kompanie: Obersturmführer Heinz Wägner
Kanonenzug: Untersturmführer Horst Kremser
Panzerjägerzug: Untersturmführer Rolf Telle (gef. 10/1/1945)
schw. I.G.-Zug (mot.): Untersturmführer Adam Grader
Gr.W.-Zug: Untersturmführer Erich Drevenstedt

Versorgungskompanie: Obersturmführer Fritz Reuß (DkiG)

Two men from SS AA 1 buried at Lommel are:

Rottenführer Richard Döbele (2. April 1923), gefallen am 20. Dezember 1944 bei Petit-Spai, Endgrablage: Block 50, Grab 208
Oberscharführer Willi Holzinger (5. Januar 1918), Endgrablage: Block 8, Grab 557

Most other names I have of SS AA 1 men at Lommel are burried as unknown soldiers.

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Post by Davy » 13 Aug 2006 19:13

Thanks Timo.

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Post by Davy » 20 Aug 2006 19:17

Hi Timo,

also Rolf Telle is buried in Lommel, but his rank here is Rottenführer, not an Untersturmführer.
What is the correct rank of him?
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Post by Harro » 22 Aug 2006 09:49

Rolf Telle (born in Döbeln, 2 June 1922) was definitely an Untersturmführer.

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Post by Davy » 01 Feb 2007 13:54

Hi,
what kind of vehicles where used by the SS.AA 1 in the Ardennen and how many?
Schwimmwagen, Volkswagen, SdKfz.251, motorcycles, bikes, SdKfz.234, ...?
and is it thrue that knittel used a US Dodge WC56 or WC57 Command car?

Thanks.

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