Hitler`s airplane Focke-Wulf 200 ??

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Hitler`s airplane Focke-Wulf 200 ??

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Post by stalag-vi-f » 26 Aug 2006, 17:15

Hi everybody,

I`ve got this old picture of a Focke-Wulf 200 Condor. My uncle said, that this is Hitler`s private air craft.

I don`t know if it`s true.

Can anyone help me???

I can`t see the number, but there is a white strip. Does anybody know what it stands for??
Also there`s a part of a letter. I think it must be a K or a N. The rest I can`t see.

On the back near the Hakenkreuz there are no signs that the plane destroyed tanks or ships etc. Normally there may stand: "Panzer: III" or something like that. that may be a hint for one of Hitler`s planes.

Also there is a man going into the plane with a white trench coat. Hitler had such ones.

Of course, there are a lot of peaople standing nera to the plane. So it must be someone famous. And there arms are up to the sky, so they scream "Heil Hitler!".

Can anybody tell me something about the plane??? Is it Hilter`s air craft???

I am very happy, if someone could tell me something about it.

Thanks for all!

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Post by stint » 26 Aug 2006, 18:21

Sir:

Sorry I cannot give you a definite answer as to whether your very interesting photograph is indeed Hitler's personal FW 200.

However, I offer this information:

Hitler's personal FW 200, named "Immelmann III", was a modified prototype, designated as a FW 200V1.

The registration number was initially D2600, then WL+2600, then 26+00
(I might speculate that possibly this registration was not prominently displayed to avoid the 'special attention' from Allied Fighters that Admiral Yamamoto received)

The aircraft was specially fitted with a seat for Hitler that in addition to heavy armor, also had an auto parachute that ejected downward through a special hatch

The best source for additional specifics, and more helpful pictures (over 120) would probably be the book: Hitler's Squadron; The Führer's Personal Aircraft and Transport Unit, by C.G.Sweeting.

The attached picture probably is just a generic composite, and not intended as a contradiction of your excellent actual photograph

Hope this helps
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Post by stalag-vi-f » 26 Aug 2006, 19:06

Hi,

thanks for the answer.

It is right, that the Immelmann III, D-2600, later 26+00 was Hitler`s aircraft. But it was not his only one. The Regierungsstaffel had a lot of planes Hilter flew with.



I found those three pics of one of Hitler`s planes, that looks as the one on my photo. It is the FW 200 Werknummer 0099, Kennung KE+IX.

Does anybody know if it is the same plane like the one on my photo???


P.S. I have the book "Focke-Wulf FW 200 Condor" by Heinz J. Nowarra. In this book and on the internet there is no other FW 200 with this white strip next to the door except the KE+IX, Type C-3/U9, made in 1942.
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Post by TonyC » 26 Aug 2006, 21:57

I think that the light-coloured band is in yellow, as this identification marking was standard for European-based aircraft (apart from Mediterranean-based aircraft which would carry a white band...

On page 49 of "Hitler's Squadron, by CG Sweeting, there is a photo of Hitler's Condor 26+00, the FW 200A-0 (S-9) WNr 3099, with the light-coloured band just like your pic. According to the book, KE+IX, the Fe 200-C-3/U9 WNr 0099 was a support aircraft in the unit.

Hiltler also used FW 200C-4/U1 CE+IB WNr 0137 which, unlike the other Condor mentioned, was armed. Same source.

Tony

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Post by stalag-vi-f » 26 Aug 2006, 22:56

Thanks Tony for your answer :D :D

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Post by stint » 27 Aug 2006, 00:57

The WW2 In Color website tends to support Tony's information about the yellow stripe, since pictures there of several different aircraft models have this particular mid fuselage identification.
The FW58 picture below is an example of one of these models from that website
http://www.ww2incolor.com/gallery/german-luftwaffe


The WarbirdResourceGroup identifies CE+1C as a FW 200C-4/U1 used for 'executive transport', and CE+1B as a FW 200C-4/U2
These carry the Mediterranean/Eastern white stripe closer to the horizontal stabilizer
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/condor.html.


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Post by stint » 27 Aug 2006, 02:32

Although we have still not answered the question about your photograph, I did come across another enjoyable website.

It goes into *great* minute detail about Hitler's flight in the FW 200 KE-IX from Rastenberg to Immola Finland on 4 jun 42.
Although well within range of Russian Fighter Aircraft, worsening weather caused 6 of his eight escorts to become separated, he appears to fly awfully close to a smokestack, and concludes with a brake/wheel fire upon landing. (another apparent habit of the FW 200)

The site shows occupants itineraries, and registry numbers of his entourage including 6 He 111s and a Ju 52.

There is also a picture of KE+IX (stripe and all) parked at the Malmi airfield summer42
Out of respect for the copyright, I attach URL only
http://www.geocities.com/finnmilpge/fmp_4_6_1942.html

I have included another FW 200 Foto from WarbirdResource that appears to be also involved in 'executive transport', and may in fact be KE+IX in addition to those you posted.

Finally, if anyone has a copy of Sweeting's "Life and Times of Hans Baur", your answer might lie in those 300+ pages
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Post by stalag-vi-f » 27 Aug 2006, 12:41

Thanks for your help, guys. Very nice, that you are interested in this.
I try to get "Life and Times of Hans Baur". It seems to be very interesting.

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Post by stril » 27 Aug 2006, 18:16

Hello
Added a newspaper clip, dated 18th.july 1939, it tells about Hitlers first travel with his newly built airplane Grenzmark.
Nothing to do with the above photo, but perhaps interesting
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Post by TonyC » 27 Aug 2006, 21:57

Hi Stril - intresting photo of "Grenzmark".

HItler's Squdron gives CE+IC as a Fw 200C-4/U2, with the shortened gondola. Above it is decribed as a FW 200C-4/U1. Can anyone explain the difference?

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Post by stint » 27 Aug 2006, 23:02

Tony

Try these URLs for Gondola configuration and other differences.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/w ... 200verstab

http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... uage_tools


Also, as an aside, I certainly do not wish to contradict Author Sweeting's information.
His credentials as past Curator of the Smithsonian Institute certainly speak volumes.
However, WarbirdsResource, and the other internet sites show, in contrast to Sweetings information, that all C-3 models were armed, and Aircraft CE-IB was a U2, and as you mention, websites also show Aircraft CE+IC as a U1.

Not nit-picking, but as an old Aircraft Recognition School guy, I always enjoyed correct identification noticing 3 or 4 blade props to distinquish DC6-DC7, and square or round windows on DC4-DC6, etcccc

Also noted in research that Himmler also had a personal FW 200C-4/U1 GC+AF

Regards, Pat

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Re: Hitler`s airplane Focke-Wulf 200 ??

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Post by orwoody » 24 Apr 2015, 01:48

hitlerandmussolini1940(2).jpg
In 1965, I was in the Army and stationed as permanent party at Grafenwoehr, Germany. Grafenwoehr was the primary artillery and armor training post in Germany and had been since the late 1800s.
While I was there, I started doing a little work in the post photo-shop where I could develop the black and whites that I took. After awhile, I started helping the German national that was in charge of the shop when he would straighten and clean up the shop before closing time.
One night as I was sweeping, I happened to reach way, way back under a negative dryer (much of the equipment in the shop dated from before WWII). When I pulled out the broom, in addition to all of the dust bunnies and dirt, there was a single negative. I picked it up and was surprised to see the swastika on the tail of an airplane in the scene. That plane was a Condor and may have been the plane that is the topic here.
When I put the negative on the printer so that it was large enough to look at, I saw that the picture was one of Hitler and Mussolini.
I asked the German about it. He was even more surprised than I was, because he knew when the picture had been taken. He was in the German Army and was stationed in Grafenwoehr in 1940 when Mussolini and Hitler came to watch maneuvers. The picture was taken right after Hitler had arrived at the airport.
Apparently, the film had been brought to the shop to be developed. As it was being run through the dryer, the negative must have fallen down behind the rather large machine and had been back there for more than twenty years. When I reached way back under it, I managed to snag a little tiny piece of history.
I ran this print. The fifty years since then has yellowed it a bit, but it still makes me smile to think that I have a true "one of a kind."

As an aside; One night as I was looking at a magazine that had pictures of Grand Canyon. The German saw them and stated that he had always wanted to take pictures of the Grand Canyon and other scenic locations in the U.S. I asked him if he'd ever been to the United States and he replied "Yes, but they weren't letting me take pictures, then."
He was captured in North Africa and had been spent the remainder of the war as a POW in Georgia.

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