ADOLF EICHMANN visit to Palestine/ Egypt 1937

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ADOLF EICHMANN visit to Palestine/ Egypt 1937

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Post by Ziv » 27 Aug 2006, 17:07

Just wondering what (if any) evidance is there that ADOLF EICHMANN - Visited Palestine and Egypt in 1937 as part of his official duties to assess the possibilities of massive Jewish emigration to Palestine.

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Post by David Thompson » 27 Aug 2006, 22:46

Ziv -- Have you done a Google or forum search yet?


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Post by WalterS » 27 Aug 2006, 23:40

From the Judgment against Eichmann:

The first hint of the Accused's attitude to the question of aliyah (immigration) to Palestine is found in a comment in a report submitted by him, together with Hagen, on their joint journey to Palestine in 1937 (T/124). As will be remembered, in the report he says that the plan for the emigration of 50,000 Jews

"...is out of the question, in view of the fact that it is the policy of the Reich to avoid the creation of an independent Jewish state in Palestine."

Mention has previously been made that during this journey he was going to meet the Mufti, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, in Palestine, but at the time the meeting did not take place.
During the period of the Final Solution, there were two contributory factors in German policy preventing immigration into Palestine: First, the pact signed between the Nazis and certain Arab leaders, headed by the Mufti; and second, the desire to complete the extermination of all the Jews within the area of German influence without leaving any remnant. With regard to emigration to other countries, the second factor operated and was sufficient in itself to stop emigration, not only from the Reich itself - in accordance with Himmler's order already mentioned above - but from the whole area of German influence. Deviations from this general line were permitted solely because of overriding considerations of high policy.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/e/eic ... t-049.html

Thus it would seem that Eichmann's trip was not a fact-finding mission to ascertain whether a Jewish State could be established in Palestine, but an effort to assure Arab leaders that such a state would not be established as a matter of Nazi policy.

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Post by Ziv » 28 Aug 2006, 03:58

Yes David did do a search of google, but did not really find anything which i considered to be what i was looking for, except the normal reverioist stuff.

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Post by Ziv » 28 Aug 2006, 04:16

Thanks WalterS for your comment.

"Thus it would seem that Eichmann's trip was not a fact-finding mission to ascertain whether a Jewish State could be established in Palestine, but an effort to assure Arab leaders that such a state would not be established as a matter of Nazi policy."


Do you think there would be anything in the German records anywhere which would give us more detail to prove the above statement that he had orders or some other type of documentation which could totaly prove the above statement.

What would the motivations of been for the nazis to assure Arab leaders that such a state would not be established as a matter of Nazi policy, and why would the arabs even been scared that the nazis would do so? I mean why would the arabs think that the nazis would waste there time and effort to ship jews there? and for what reason?

The current Iranian leader seems to blame the europeans for the jews being there, although im not sure exactly who he blames germany?england ??? or is he just lumping everybody together..............yet fails to mention the americans, yet the americans from what i understand told the english to hand over the land to the jews as far as i know.

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Post by David Thompson » 28 Aug 2006, 05:31

Ziv -- You mused:
The current Iranian leader seems to blame the europeans for the jews being there, although im not sure exactly who he blames germany?england ??? or is he just lumping everybody together..............yet fails to mention the americans, yet the americans from what i understand told the english to hand over the land to the jews as far as i know.
Let's stay on the topic -- Eichmann's 1937 trip to Palestine. Your original question was:
Just wondering what (if any) evidance is there that ADOLF EICHMANN - Visited Palestine and Egypt in 1937 as part of his official duties to assess the possibilities of massive Jewish emigration to Palestine.
Other than Eichmann's say-so, there is a report written by Gestapo functionary Herbert Hagen, who accompanied Eichmann. His report on the 1937 trip was referred to and quoted from at Eichmann's trial:
"Promotion of the Emigration of Jews from Germany. To further promote the emigration of Jews from Germany, the Jew Polkes proposed to make possible the emigration of 50,000 Jews per year with 1,000 Sterling per head, by means of an increase in the transfer of goods through Paltreu (Palaestina Treuhandstelle der Juden in Deutschland)* {*The German Office of the Ha'avara Company for the transfer of Jewish property from Nazi Germany to Palestine.} and "Nemico" (Near and Middle East Corporation). The goods would be sold in Palestine, Iraq, Turkey and in Peria. Immigration to Palestine would in this case be possible without the special consent of the English Mandatory government since Jews with 1,000 Sterling are considered as so- called capitalists."

"Opinion This plan must be rejected by us for two reasons: (a) It is not our aim to have Jewish capital transferred, but rather, in the first place, to induce Jews without means to emigrate. Second, the aforementioned emigration of 50,000 Jews annually would in the main strengthen Judaism in Palestine, and considering that according to the policy of the Reich the establishment of an independent state of the Jews in Palestine should be prevented, this plan cannot be a subject for discussion.
(my emphases)
http://www.vex.net/~nizkor/ftp.cgi/peop ... ion-018-04

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Post by Georg_S » 28 Aug 2006, 11:38

There is many evidence that Eichmann together with (Hagen?) another member of RSHA visited Palestine
in 37 , documents (Eichmann asking for money for the travell) his own words, many books, the German
Embassadour in Palestine during that time made a witness of their visit, etc etc

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Post by michael mills » 28 Aug 2006, 23:24

Thus it would seem that Eichmann's trip was not a fact-finding mission to ascertain whether a Jewish State could be established in Palestine, but an effort to assure Arab leaders that such a state would not be established as a matter of Nazi policy.
Totally untrue.

The Haggana representative, Feivel Polkes, who had gone to Germany early in 1937 to have discussions with the SD about the promotion of Jewish emigration to Palestine (including clandestine migration outside the British quota system, funded by the SD), had invited SD representatives to visit Palestine to observe Jewish settlement there and the potential of the country to absorb large numbers of Jewish emigrants from Germany.

The invitation was accepted, and Heydrich sent Herbert Hagen, then the head of the Jewish section in the SD. Eichmann tagged along as Hagen's assistant.

Hagen and Eichmann sailed on an Italian ship from Genoa to Post Said, calling at Haifa on the way. The two of them went ashore at Haifa for a one-day sight-seeing tour.

After arrival at Port Said, Hagen and Eichmann went to Cairo, where Polkes came to meet them. The intention was for them to travel to Palestine accompanied by Polkes, but British Intelligence had got wind of the visit (since they were monitoring illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine and the German facilitation of it), and denied Hagen and Eichmann permits to enter Palestine.

Discussions were then held in Cairo between the German representatives and Polkes, as representative of the Jewish Agency, on possible ways to increase the movement of Jews from Germany to Palestine. The position taken by Polkes was that such a movement could only be increased if German Jews were allowed to take all of their capital with them, which of course could not be agreed to by the German Government.

At the time, there were two opposing positions taken by German Government agencies in relation to the migration of German Jews to Palestine, the so-called "concentrationist" and "dispersionist" positions. The Gestapo favoured German Jewish migration to Palestine and their concentration there, since that was the best available avenue for getting Jews out of Germany.

The German Foreign Ministry opposed the concetration of German Jews in Palestine, since that might lead to the formation of a Jewish state which would then be able to grant extra-territorial protection to Jews who were citizens of Germany and other states. It favoured the dispersal of the German Jews all over the world, with only small numbers in any one place.

The report written by Hagen appears to reflect a partial acceptance of the position taken by the German Foreign Ministry.

The claim that Hagen and Eichmann were seeking to meet Palestinian Arab representatives is totally without foundation. The German Government strongly opposed the Arab uprising against the British mandatory authority which had commenced in 1936, since it wished to see Britain remain in control of Palestine and of the Jewish settlements there.

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Post by alf » 29 Aug 2006, 10:54

Michael, simply because you say something is completely untrue, does not make it so.

Your post is completely devoid of any references or sources

You claim but then fail to offer any verifable sources. Who says its without foundation? What is the link to primary source documentation so others can see for themselves? . Why is it others can provide primary source documents to verify their statements on this and you haven't?

So far the above post is merely a monologue at best or if proof cannot be provided, dismissed as mere ramblings.

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Post by Boby » 29 Aug 2006, 11:21

Eichmann comment this visit to Palestina in his "memoirs", based on Sassen Interviews and said that he wanted to meet with the "Grand Mufti" of Jerusalem, but without result.

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Post by michael mills » 30 Aug 2006, 03:38

In October 1937, when Hagen and Eichmann sailed to Egypt in their abortive attempt to enter Palestine to inspect Zionist settlements there, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husayni, was already in hiding from the British authorities due to his leadership of the Arab uprising.
On 19 April 1936, an Arab rebellion broke out in Palestine. Soon the rebellion had spread across the country, openly and officially led by the Mufti and his Arab Higher Committee, founded a week after the rebellion had started. The Committee, with the Mufti presiding, proclaimed an Arab general strike and called for nonpayment of taxes and shutting down municipal governments. In addition, the Committee demanded an end to Jewish immigration, a ban on land sales to Jews, and national independence. Jewish colonies, kibbutzim and quarters in towns, became the targets for Arab sniping, bombing, and other terrorist activities.

In July 1937, British police were sent to arrest al-Husayni for his part in the Arab rebellion, but he was tipped off and escaped to the Haram where the British thought it inadvisable to touch him. In September, he was removed from the presidency of the Muslim Supreme Council and the Arab Higher Committee was declared illegal. In October, he fled to Lebanon, where he reconstituted the committee under his domination. Al-Husayni retained the support of most Palestinian Arabs and used his power to punish the Nashashabis. He remained in Lebanon for two years, but his deteriorating relationship with the French and Syrian authorities led him to Iraq in October 1939.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni

If Eichmann really did claim after the war that he intended to meet Al-Husayni in Palestine, his memory may have been affected by the subsequent role that Al-Husayni played as a collaborator with the German Government in helping to raise formations of Balkan Muslims to fight on the German side. Apparently he did meet Al-Husayni during the war, when the latter was in exile in Berlin.

In 1937, the German Government had not yet accepted Al-Husayni as a possible ally, since it did not support the Arab revolt in Palestine, and did not want to endanger Anglo-German relations.
In 1933, within weeks of Hitler's rise to power in Germany, al-Husayni sent a telegram to Berlin addressed to the German Consul-General in the British Mandate of Palestine saying he looked forward to spreading their ideology in the Middle East [citation needed], especially in Palestine and offered his services. Al-Husayni's offer was rejected at first out of concern for disrupting Anglo-German relations by allying with an anti-British leader. But one month later, Al-Husayni secretly met the German Consul-General Karl Wolff near the Dead Sea and expressed his approval of the anti-Jewish boycott in Germany and asked him not to send any Jews to Palestine. Later that year, the Mufti's assistants approached Wolff, seeking his help in establishing an Arab National Socialist (Nazi) party in Palestine. Wolff and his superiors disapproved because they didn't want to become involved in a British sphere of influence, because the Nazis desired further Jewish immigration to Palestine, and because at the time the Nazi party was restricted to German speaking "Aryans" only.

On 21 July 1937, Al-Husayni paid a visit to the new German Consul-General, Hans Döhle, in Palestine. He repeated his former support for Germany and "wanted to know to what extent the Third Reich was prepared to support the Arab movement against the Jews." He later sent an agent and personal representative to Berlin for discussions with Nazi leaders.

In 1938, though Anglo-German relations were a concern, Al-Husayni's offer was accepted. From August 1938, Husseini received financial and military assistance and supplies from Nazi Germany and fascist Italy. From Berlin, al-Husayni would play a significant role in inter-Arab politics.
Given the above background, it is unlikely that Hagen and Eichmann had any intention of trying to contact Al-Husayni in October 1937.

For those of you who wish to study the background to German relations with the Zionist movement in the period 1933-1941, of which the Hagen-Eichmann visit was an integral part, I recommend the following books:

Francis Nicosia, "The Third Reich and the Palestine Question" ( Austin : University of Texas Press, 1985).

Tom Segev, "The Seventh Million: The Israelis and The Holocaust" (New York, 1993: republished in 2000 as "Israel Confronts The Holocaust").

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Post by michael mills » 30 Aug 2006, 03:46

Here is a chapter from Lenni Brenner's book, "Zionism in the Age of the Dictators", which gives the background to the dealings between Feivel Polkes and Hagen/Eichmann, and the attempt of the latter to visit Palestine.

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch08.htm

Al-Husayni's attempts to gain German support for his anti-British struggle were unrelated to the Hagen/Eichmann mission.

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Post by Orlov » 30 Aug 2006, 22:20

michael mills wrote:Here is a chapter from Lenni Brenner's book, "Zionism in the Age of the Dictators", which gives the background to the dealings between Feivel Polkes and Hagen/Eichmann, and the attempt of the latter to visit Palestine.

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch08.htm

Al-Husayni's attempts to gain German support for his anti-British struggle were unrelated to the Hagen/Eichmann mission.
Leftist book, but very interesting sources (documents) and next revelations about first pre-Israelian underground Organisatisation. Uff! Hardcore!

About negotiations Eichmann-Polkes (or SD-Hagana) I read in Polish disertation (present) prof. Miroslaw Cyganski

"SS w polityce zagranicznej III Rzeszy 1933-1945" ("SS in Foreign Policy of III Reich"), Wroclaw 1975.

He prepare this excellent work under pressure Commie censorpship in low academical circulation. He wrote about Adolf's journey to Palestine/Egypt and (I think first in Polish) about SS role in mass-murder of Soviets "komadirovka", SS in Balkans, etc. He based on GDR, ex-nazi archives and. Unfortunately next his books weren't so good.
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