Turkish WW1 Artillery

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Re: TURKISH WW1 Artillery.

Post by CharlieC » 17 Jan 2010 06:26

The second gun is possibly even more obscure. This one is in Manilla, NSW.

The wheels on this gun may be original - they have a marking on the inside of one of the spokes which looks like "AuM".

The plaque says it's a 120mm Russian gun but the barrel has markings which look like old Turkish script. Any help on the identification of this gun would be much appreciated.

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Post by Tosun Saral » 22 Jun 2010 21:15

A team of İmalat-ı harbiye (War productions) posing infront of a newly restored 15' gun during the 1919-22 period.
Source by Serdar Başaran
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Post by Tanzania » 23 Jun 2010 09:30

A view years ago I found a German 8,7-cm-C 1873 light Field gun in Bloemfontein / South Africa which have been in Turkish service.

Here some more photos and the background:
http://forum.panzer-archiv.de/viewtopic.php?t=9007

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Post by Tosun Saral » 23 Jun 2010 10:54

Well com to forum Holger, and thanks for the precious presentation of our grandfathers canone.

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Post by Tanzania » 23 Jun 2010 11:30

Thank´s Tosun.
Another German 8,7-cm-C 1873 light Field gun in Turkish service.
Captured by British / Indian troops in Mesopotamian (?)

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Post by Tanzania » 23 Jun 2010 11:31

A muzzle loading mortar from the 17. Century at Kut-el-Amara from the book: “Kampf in der Wüste”, Clemens Lahr, Verlag C.Bertelsmann, Gütersloh 1936.

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Post by Tosun Saral » 23 Jun 2010 14:55

What a Turkish made mortar. Once we made our guns at Tophane gun and powder fabrics.
Ein Gruss von Baron von Munchhausen :D Hans Albers war auch meine Jugend idol der 60ger Jahre.
A gentle salute by Baron von Münchhausen. A movie played by famous Hamburger actor and singer Hans Albers. he was my idol in the 60er years
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Post by Tanzania » 23 Jun 2010 16:51

Ein Gruss von Baron von Munchhausen Hans Albers war auch meine Jugend idol der 60ger Jahre.
I have not made this photo and I only repeat what was written in the book. The picture looks not like a fake.

(I didn’t repeat the lines with the flight on the mortar bullet . . . :milwink: )

You think it was so fantastic?
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Post by nuyt » 23 Jun 2010 19:08

Dear Tosun,

Only now I see the picture of the War Production's team 15cm howitzer. Very interesting period. Do you have more info on this team? And who is this source, from a book?
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Post by Tosun Saral » 24 Jun 2010 11:56

Dear Nuyt, the pix is send to me by a friend. It is written underlines that the pix was first printed in the newspaper "Tevhid-i Efkar" (Commen Thought) I think it is from the year 1921. Because all the military elements and materials, guns, ammu and rifles which were in the depots and military fabrics in ıstanbul was sacretly taken to Anatolia by Turkish sacret service and organizations while British occupation forces were sleeping. The sacret
organizations were Karakol Cemiyeti, M.M. Grubu, Felâh and Yavuz. After a short time the Group Felah joined to
İmalat-ı Harbiye Teşkilatı the War Productions Organization. In 1921 all İmalat-ı Harbiye (War productions) works gathered in Ankara. The first repair works for military equibment was established in July of 1921 in Ankara. Their only equipment for repairs was a motor of a locomotive which worked between Ankara-sivas line. Before Greeks occupied Eskişehir in 1921 the gun repair fabric was taken to Ankara.
Today the works are called Makina ve Kimya Endüstrisi Kurumu in Ankara
http://www.mkek.gov.tr/english/foHakkimizda.aspx

workshop:
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Post by nuyt » 24 Jun 2010 20:39

Thanks my friend!

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Post by Tosun Saral » 17 Jul 2010 14:30

To Holger Kotthaus,
My distinquished friend Mr. İbrahim Haydar Akyol from facebook send me the following photo of Turkish mortar from the War of Kirim. He adds also that the photo was shot by Roger Fenton. The guns are the guns of light Division.
http://www.facebook.com/photo_search.ph ... =680042146
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Post by Tanzania » 20 Aug 2010 21:50

Tosun

Sorry for late response and many thanks for posting the interesting photo. Last weekend I took a
photo from another Turkish mortar in the Imperial War Museum in London. One described that
he was produced in 1857. Indeed, does not stand there whether he still was used at Gallipoli or
maybe the War of Kirim.

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Re: TURKISH WW1 Artillery.

Post by Alineoha » 19 Oct 2010 19:14

Hi Everyone,
I'm new to the sight, and have been very impressed by the wealth of information here. I'm writing a novel that takes place in the Ottoman Empire during WWI. My main character is a sniper in the 45th division, fighting at Ctesiphon and later in Kut.
I don't read Turkish and much of what I want to know isn't available in English.
My questions are questions:
1. What kind of gun would he have used. A German Mauser? If so, how can a bullet from that gun travel?
2. Where and how did the 45th division train? What was their training like?
3. Does anyone know what happened to this division after Nurettin was replaced By Khalil Pasha immediately after Kut?
Thanks in advance,
Aline Oha

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Post by Tosun Saral » 21 Oct 2010 15:49

:welcome: Aline,
information about Col. (Miralay) Nurettin Bey:
(Lt. General Nurettin Sakallı) or Sakallı Nurettin Pasha

Miralay (Col.) Nurettin Bey was made General Commander of Irak and surroundings after death of Lt. Col. (Kaymakam) Süleyman Askeri Bey in May 1915.after turks lost the battle at kutülamara in sept.28th 1915 the grand command at istanbul had a mistrıust againts nurettin bey. to improve th situation a new a<rmy under name 6th was established under command of Golz Pasha. von de Golzt pasha tokk the duty on december 6th 1915. The General Command of Irak and Surroundings was renamed as Irak Group. Nurettin bey as comander. on jan. 13 1916 Miralay Halil bey was made commander of Irak Group. After Golz< pasha died Col. Halil Bey promoted to the rank of pasha and became commander of 6th army on march 26th 1916. The Irak group was also demolished.

45th inf. div come to ırak in oct 11st 1915. a lt. col.süleyman mesrur bey commanded the div. till jan 13 1916. then lt.col. ali necip bey commanded the div.during may 1916- feb 25 1917 fights lt col ismail hakkı bey commanded the div.
on march 1917 the 45td div. was demolished.

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