ARMIR (winter 1942-1943)

Alex Yeliseenko · Post by **Alex Yeliseenko** » 12 Nov 2006 16:56

Hi ALL!

I have some photo of Italians and the Italian technics in area of Don. To what unit these soldiers and this technics could belong?

Regards.

Alex. Bearland.

Whermacht commander · Post by **Whermacht commander** » 12 Nov 2006 20:04

Can you enlarge the photo?

Lupo Solitario · Post by **Lupo Solitario** » 12 Nov 2006 23:33

I don't see any ID symbol, sorry...

Andreas · Post by **Andreas** » 13 Nov 2006 14:49

Alex

Please provide a source for the scan.

Thank you.

Andreas

Alex Yeliseenko · Post by **Alex Yeliseenko** » 13 Nov 2006 14:52

It arrives from the book " On flanks of Stalingrad "

Xª Mas · Post by **Xª Mas** » 20 Nov 2006 06:30

The Italian Alpini divisions fought on the Don, so they are definately regiments of Alpini mountain troops. I am not sure of wich division specifically, either 3rd Julia division 9th Alpini regiment (3rd Artillery regiment), or 2nd Tridentina division 6th Alpini regiment (2nd Artilery regiment). Great photos!

luigi · Post by **luigi** » 20 Nov 2006 18:10

The captions of the pictures are referring to december 1942, Alpini were engaged only after Sforzesca Pasubio and Celere (If Memory serves me these were the infantry divisions crushed on december) I think they are infantrist of these divisions.
To recall it briefly: in december 1942 the russians break through the Don front on positions held by rumaninas hungarinas and italian troops on the left and the right of the sector held by the alpini, which resist. Julia is sent in the open steppe by end of december to face front south on the right of the sector held by the Alpini trying to avoid encirclement, the russians try to break resistance for several deays, then simply go further west to come around the Julia division. It's only on Jan 17 1943, almost a month after the breakthrough of the russian, that the Alpini are ordered to retreath and fight their way back home trough an over 300km deep cul-de-sac

Lupo Solitario · Post by **Lupo Solitario** » 20 Nov 2006 19:40

as I told, I can't see any identification symbol (shields, marks, etc.) on soldiers and vehicles in the pics. So it's not possible to fix which were their units could be.

The caption refers to Arbusowo, december 1942. If correct, I can suppose they are members of "North Group", the collection of remnants of divisions Pasubio, Torino and Ravenna which were protagonist of an hard retreat from Don Line til Arbutsowo and Tcherkowo between 20 decmber and 20 january 1943.

Last, I want to remember that italian forces in Russia included ten divisions for a total of over 20 infantry regiments including six of Alpini

Xª Mas · Post by **Xª Mas** » 22 Nov 2006 06:01

ah, I got my dates screwed up

. Thanks for the correction.

pitman · Post by **pitman** » 26 Nov 2006 19:03

Was a photo ever posted to this thread? I am interested in this subject.

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