Czechoslovak artillery weapons used by Germany

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Czechoslovak artillery weapons used by Germany

Post by Marcus » 28 Dec 2006 19:25

I've recieved the following additional information on Czechoslovak artillery used by the German forces and I'd like to get it verified here before I add it to the site.


Light & Medium Artillery
7.5 cm FK 17 (t) (ex-czech M-28 Skoda)
- this should be 7.65 cm and czech designation 8 cm vzor 17 Gun (note all 8 cm in Czechoslovakia is in fact 76.5 mm)
- and there is actually 7.65 cm FK 17 in this list
- there was not any czech weapon 7.5 cm M 28 (but may be produced for export) - all czechoslovak 7.5 cm guns in service were old from ww1 (vzor 14 Gun, vzor 15 mountain gun and french mle 1897 field gun)

8.0 cm FK 18/17 (t) (ex-czech M-?)
- I do not know what this can be - here is list of all czech 8 cm guns (76.5mm) in service: vzor 5/8 Light Gun (from ww1 produced by Wien state arsenal), vzor 17 Gun and vzor 30 gun

8.0 cm FK 30 (t) (ex-czech M-30)
- 7.65 mm

10.0 cm lFH 14/19 (p) and (t) (ex polish and ex-czech M-14/19 Skoda)
- right czech designation is 10 cm vzor 14/19 Light Howitzer

10.0 cm lFH 30 (t) (ex-czech M-30 Skoda)
- right czech designation is 10 cm vzor 30 Light Howitzer

10.5 cm K 35 (t) (ex-czech M-35)
- right czech designation is 10.5 cm vzor 35 Rough Gun

Heavy Artillery
15.0 cm sFH 14 (ö) and (t) (ex-czech and ex-austrian M-14 Skoda)
- czechoslovak designation was 15 cm vzor 14/16 Rough Howitzer

15.0 cm sFH 15 (t) and (ö) (ex-czech and ex-austrian M-15 Skoda)
- czechoslovak designation was 15 cm vzor 15 Heavy Howitzer

15.0 cm K 15/16 (t) (ex-czech M-15/16 Skoda)
- czechoslovak designation was 15 cm vzor 15/16 Heavy Gun

15.0 cm sFH 25 (t) (ex-czech M-25 Skoda)
- czechoslovak designation was 15 cm vzor 25 Rough Howitzer

15.0 cm sFH 37 (t) (ex-czech M-37 Skoda)
- czechoslovak designation was 15 cm vzor 37 Rough Howitzer

21.0 cm Mrs 18 (t) (ex-czech M-1 and 21.0 cm Mrs 18/19 (t) (ex czech Mrs-18/19, mobile version of the Mrs-1
- Czechoslovakia has only one version - mobile - designated as 21 cm vzor 18 Siege Mortar (Mozdir in czech language)

24 cm Kanone (t) (First produced in 1916, continues in Czech service after WW 1)
- czechoslovak designation was 24 cm vzor 16 Heavy Gun - all czechoslovak were produced after war without difference from original

30.5 cm H 638 (t) and (j) (Produced in 1916, kept in service by czech and yugoslavian armies)
- czechoslovak designation was 30.5 cm vzor 16 Siege Mortar - all czechoslovak were produced after war without difference from original

42.0 Haubitze (t) (42 cm Hofnice M 17 Skoda, used in Sevastopol siege in 1942)
- interesting note this weapon was not in service in czechoslovak army but Germans took it from museum

Most of informations is from book: Ceskoslovenske delostrelecke zbrane (Praha, 1975)


Thanks.

/Marcus

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Post by The Edge » 29 Dec 2006 11:44

It was Skoda's praxis to make their field guns in two calibres - 7.5cm for export purposes and 8cm (actually 7.65cm) for domestic use. So "7.5cm M.17" guns probably existed - but they definitely were not intended for Czechoslovak Army.
(Germans found in Skoda factory lot of artillery prepared for export, so maybe few of these guns were among them (less likely variant) - or some of ex-Czech 8cm vz.17 guns were rebarreled later to 7.5 cm under "new management", as Germans did it with their FK-16 guns).

"M.28" Skoda guns were all export models (mainly Yugoslav & Romanian ones). Czechs labeled their "M.28-style" 8cm field guns and 10cm light howitzers "vz.30" and Poles labeled their M.28-style 22cm heavy mortar "Wz. 32".

8cm FK-18 was not Skoda - actually it was Böhler model (Austria). This gun was designed for new 83mm caliber, but such option was dropped because such drastic change of caliber is always impractical during war - instead 8cm barrel (7.65cm L/30) from previously accepted Skoda M.17 was used (hence "18/17" designation, but I don't believe that was WWI official one - probably it was German fabrication from 1939). Not many of these guns were made, but few probably ended in Czechoslovak inventory after WWI, later to be seized by Germans.

(Btw, this "Rough" designation is most amusing one. :lol: )

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Post by Alex Yeliseenko » 07 Jan 2007 16:21

Czechoslovak artillery used by the German forces (1939-1945)

ATG

3,7 cm M-37(t) – 513
3,7 cm Pak 39/40 – 34
4,7 cm Pak 36(t) – 273
4,7 cm Pak (t) – 214

Light & Medium Artillery

10,5 cm F.H.43 – no production
10 cm le.F.H.30(t) – 127
10 cm le.F.H.14/19 (t) – 676 (Polish arsenal)
10 cm le.F.H.28(t) - ?
10 cm le.F.H.14/19 (t) – 382 (Czechoslovak arsenal)
10 cm le.F.H. 316(j) - ?
10 cm le.F.H. 318 (g) - ?
10 cm le.F.H. 315 (i) - ?
10 cm le.F.H. 317 (j) - ?

7,65 cm F.K.17 (o) and F.K.17 (j)/(8 cm F.K.5/8(t)) – 241?
7,65 cm F.K.300 (j) and FF.K.304 (j) - ?
8 cm F.K.30 (t) – 184?
7,65 F.K.17 (t) and F.K.18(t) - ?
10,5 cm K.35 (t) – 108

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Post by Alex Yeliseenko » 07 Jan 2007 16:40

Mountiens Artillery

7,5 cm Geb.G.36(t) - ?
10,5 cm Geb.H. 16/19(t) – 47?

Heavy Artillery

15 cm s.F.H.15(t) – 42
15 cm s.F.H.25(t) – 219
15 cm s.F.H. 37(t) – 178
15 cm s.F.H. 400 (i) - ?
15 cm s.F.H. 401 (i, Scoda, italian modernization) - ?
15 cm s.F.H. 402 (j) - ?

21 cm Mrs.(t) – 22
24 cm H.39/40 (t) – 18
30.5 cm H 638 (t) – 23
42 cm H. (t.) – 2

15,2 cm K.15/16(t) – 10
15,2 cm K.410(i) – 29?
15 cm K.403(j) - ?
21 cm V. (K.52) – 2
24 cm K(t) – 6

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Post by Marcus » 07 Jan 2007 20:05

More on these guns:

4,7 cm flak 36 (t) – this gun was not used by CS (Czechoslovac) army
7,65 cm flak 33 (t) - this gun was not used by CS (Czechoslovac) army
8,35 cm flak 22 (t) – standard AA gun of CS army (army name „8,35 cm PL kanón vz.22“ = 8,35 cm AA gun
Mk. 22, 143 pieces in army, 8,35 cm AA gum vz.37 not exist)
9 cm flak 12/20 (t) – modification of nawal 9 cm gun and AA gun M.12, 20 stabil guns in CS army, not used by
russian army


3,7 cm Pak 34 (t) – ex CS Pak Mk. 34, army name „3,7 cm kanón proti útočné vozbě vz. 34“, Škoda name
A3, older the 3,7 cm Pak 37 Škoda name A4
4,7 cm Pak 36 (t) – special gun used only in fortresses!!! Original army name „4 cm pevnostní kanón vz. 36“ =
4 cm fortress gun Mk. 36, Škoda name A6, german name 4,7 cm Pak K36 (t)
4,7 cm Pak 38 – Škoda A5, field Pak Mk. 38 manufactured for Wehrmacht and Yugoslavia - 4,7 cm Pak 179 (j),
Wehrmacht used this gun as self-proppeled Pak with chassis PzKpfw IB too.


7,5 cm FK 02/26 (p) – not old russian M.00, but M.02
7,5 cm FK 17 (t) – not exist. The only gun in CS army was 7,5 cm – mountain gun Škoda M.15. M.17 was FK
Škoda M.17 cal. 7,65 cm. M.28 was FK manufactured in Škoda for Yugoslavia cal. 7,5 cm.
7,65 cm FK 05/08 (ö), 300 (j) – FK M.5/8 was not manufactured by Škoda, but by Arsenal Wien. This gun was
used by CS army as mounted guns (86 pieces)
7,65 cm FK 18 (ö) – not Škoda but Böhler!
7,65 cm FK 304 (j) – cal. 7,5 cm!
8cm FK 18/17 (t) – not existed. FK M.18 (Böhler) was not in CS army. „8 cm FK M.17“ is army name for
7,65 cm FK M.17 Škoda
8 cm FK 30 (t) – army name for 7,65 cm FK M.30 Škoda
10,5 cm FK 17 and 17/4 (ö) – no cannon 10,5 cm M. 17/4 or M.17 was not used in austrian army. Old austrian
army used only 10,4 cm cannon M.15 manufactured by Škoda.


15 cm sFH 14 – sFH M.14 and M.14/16 cal. 149,1 mm manufactured by Škoda (CS army 148 pieces)
15 cm K 15/16 (t) – cal. 152,4 cm
15 cm sFH 402 (j) – Škoda K2
21 cm Mrs 18 (t) – CS army name „21 cm moždíř vz. 18“ was mobil version, 18 pieces in CS army
21 cm Mrs 18/19 (t) – not exist in CS army
30,5 cm H 638, 639 – not H but Mrs


/Marcus

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Re: Czechoslovak artillery weapons used by Germany

Post by Somua2 » 04 Jul 2008 00:11

How many of the FK30t's taken possession of were sold off to other countries?

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Re: Czechoslovak artillery weapons used by Germany

Post by Somua2 » 04 Jul 2008 19:56

There is a page that I thought was in the Blitzkreig Portal Forum that listed in detail czech weapons available at the time of munich including 600 antitank guns. It had a section that was approximately headlined "weaknesses of the czech army". I can't seem to find it again for the life of me. If any readers could direct me to it, I would really appreciate it.

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Re: Czechoslovak artillery weapons used by Germany

Post by Kelvin » 12 Nov 2009 11:33

How many ammunition captured by German in 1938, Anyone have breakdown ?

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Post by dvzhuk » 12 Nov 2009 13:13

Hello Kelvin,
Kelvin wrote:How many ammunition captured by German in 1938, Anyone have breakdown ?

In 1938 most of equipment and ammunition were withdrawn from the captured region. In 1939, it was partly sold to Germany (heavy artillery), and remains were either taken by Germans after 15 March, or left to the Slovak state.
There are excellent data for 18.3.1939, but in Czech: http://armada.vojenstvi.cz/predvalecna/dokumenty/9.htm

For the ammunition, quantities are:

6.6 cm vz. 30 : total 6 533, including 6 508 in Slovakia
7.5 cm vz. 15 : total 459 953, including 122 524 in Slovakia
8 cm vz. 17 : total 526 010, including 115 923 in Slovakia
8 cm vz. 30 : total 192 423
10 cm vz. 14/19, 16/19, 30 : total 1 281 026, including 345 947 in Slovakia
10.5 cm vz. 35 : total 112 858, including 40 019 in Slovakia
15 cm vz. 14/16 : total 115 638
15 cm vz. 25 : total 289 909, including 107 684 in Slovakia
15 cm vz. 15 : total 30 051 — sold to Germany
15 cm vz. 15/16 : total 5 370
21 cm vz. 18 : total 6 896 — sold to Germany
24 cm vz. 16 : total 1 363 — sold to Germany
30.5 cm vz. 16 : total 2 618 — sold to Germany
9 cm mortar vz. 17 : total 35 924, including 8 020 in Slovakia
14 cm mortar vz. 18 : total 7 925, including 1 278 in Slovakia
7.5 cm vz. 37 AA : total 70 093, including 38 415 in Slovakia
8 cm vz. 5/8 AA : total 9 872
8 cm vz. 37 AA : total 130 277, including 23 808 in Slovakia
8.35 cm vz. 22 AA : total 315 123, including 42 930 in Slovakia
9 cm vz. 12/20 AA : total 26 752

Regards, Denis

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Re: Czechoslovak artillery weapons used by Germany

Post by Kelvin » 12 Nov 2009 13:29

Hi Dvzhuk, thank a lot

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