SS-Aufklärungsabteilung LAH...

[Moniroth You-Bell]

B:6.2.22
KIA 22.12.44 Ardennse
Ustuf. Pi.Zug,4./SS-PAA.1 12.44


But there are some accounts that the Pi.Zug was move to the Stb.Kp

[Harro]

That's just Dröge, what about your check on Goltz?

[Moniroth You-Bell]

Ostuf. Heinz Goltz

B:28.6.21 Stade, Allenstein
Ostuf. Chef, Stb.Kp./SS-PAA.1 2.45
Ostuf. Chef,4./SS-PAA.1 6.44
WIA 8.7.43 Mal Majatschki
Ustuf. Fhr,4./SS-PAA.1 7.43
WIA 12.3.43 Ustuf. 4./SS-PAA.1
SOJ. 7.KJL, J.Sch.Braunschweig 4.42
Strm. 3./SS-AA.LAH 1.41
Mann. 5./V.LSSAH 1.40
SS:423607 Ostuf:9.11.43

[Harro]

Interesting, so how come you managed to get both the position of Goltz and Dröge wrong, resulting in giving the wrong unit for Kilat, Leithold, Liebersbach and the others? It has been long established in multiple posts in this and other forums that Goltz was in command of the Stabskompanie and Dröge was in command of the Pionierzug which was part of the Stabskompanie. Goltz is even listed as Stabskp commander in vol. IV/1 of "The Leibstandarte" (English language version published by Fedorowicz in 1993, page 315)

For example: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 00#p939300

[Harro]

SOJ. 11.KJL, SS-PzGren.Sch 5.44
SS: Ustuf:21.6.

What's your source here?

[Moniroth You-Bell]

Yes, as I told you, there are some source--which you confirmed, that the Pi Zug was moved to the Stb.Kp from the 4th Kp .

So they must be Pi Zug, Stb.Kp--thanks


As for the

SOJ. 11.KJL, SS-PzGren.Sch 5.44
SS: Ustuf:21.6.44

I double checked the promotion list Droge is not there, I must have made a mistake, thanks.

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Ustuf. Helmut Egon Gude

B:15.3.22 Dresden
Ustuf. 4./SS-PAA.1 4.45
SOJ. J.Sch.Bad Tolz 1.44
Strm. SS-PzGren.AuE.Btl.1 9.43
Strm. 3./SS-PAA.1 5.43
Mann. 5./SS-Ers.Btl.LSSAH 1.42

Harro--see if I have any error, thanks

[Harro]

There are some ideas about Gude but none are confirmed.

[Harro]

Never been a fan of Hans Wijers' books but the fact that this awful mistake by the translator got passed the author and the proof-readers unnoticed says it all...

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SS-Ustuf. Helmut Egon Gude

B:15.3.22 Dresden
Ustuf. 4./SS-PAA 1 4.45
SOJ. J.Sch. Bad Tölz 1.44
Strm. SS-PzGren.AuE.Btl. 1 9.43
Strm. 3./SS-PAA 1 5.43
Mann. 5./SS-Ers.Btl. LSSAH 1.42

Harro--see if I have any error, thanks

Member of the Hitler-Jugend from May 1, 1934 to January 30, 1942.
Joined the Waffen-SS on January 20, 1942
served with the following SS-units:
5. Replacement unit, Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, from January 30, 1942;
SS-Aufklärungs-Bataillon 3 LSSAH, from April 1942;
SS-Panzer-Grenadier- Ersatz- und Ausbildungs-Bataillon 1, from May 27, 1943;
Staff Company of the Waffen-SS HQ, July to September 1943;
SS-Panzer-Grenadier- Ersatz- und Ausbildungs-Bataillon 1 until November 25, 1943;
SS-Stabskompanie of the Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA), detailed to the SD-section Dresden as Liaison officer to the Hitlerjugend;
SS-Panzer-Aufklärungs-Bataillon 1, 1. SS-Panzer-Division "Leibstandarte" from November 15, 1944.
From August 3, 1943 to November 24, 1943, Gude was detailed to the 3d course for disabled officer candidates at Tölz

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Rottf. Alwin Ahlers

B:15.6.24 Grossenmeer, Oldenburg
KIA 2.2.45 Hammerstein
Rottf. 7./SS-Unter.Sch. Lauenburg 2.45
Schütz. 1./SS-PAA 1 7.43
Schütz. 2./SS-PAA 1 6.43

[Harro]

What is your source for the transfer to 1./AA LAH (it wasn't called SS-PAA 1 at that time) since the Kriegstagebuch lists SS-Schütze Alwin Ahlers as transfered from 2./AA LAH to IG.Kp./AA LAH on June 12, 1943. The IG.Kp. was 6./AA LAH.

Alwin Ahlers born June 15, 1924, is listed in the Volksbund database. He died on February 1, 1945, in Schlochau (today Człuchów) which is only 125 km from Lauenburg. This is a match, since the 7. Kompanie of the SS-Unterführerschule in Lauenburg became part of Kampgruppe "Reinel" (SS-Hauptsturmführer Karl Reinel) which was formed with the 7. and 8. Kompanie of the Unterführerschule on January 24, 1945, and marched over Bütow (Bytów) and Konitz (Chojnice) to see action against the Red Army at Fordon (Bydgoszcz). Człuchów is 15 km west of Chojnice and Hammerstein, today Czarne, is a small town 34 km west of Człuchów.

[Moniroth You-Bell]

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ ... 611&page=3


""I went through all my files once more and found this document which mentions Schöffmann: transfer from 2nd Co to 1st Co on June 6, 1943.

Versetzungen: 12.06.1943, vom 2./AA LAH zur 1./AA LAH (SS-Strm.)""

[Harro]

Please, that's a document from my files (the curls where made by me) and if you read carefully you see you're wrong: it reads "Abgänge", meaning those who left the (in this case 2nd) company. Schültze and Schöffmann did go to 1./AA LAH on June 6 but it clearly reads IG. K. (Infanteriegeschütz-Kompanie) behind Arnhold with quotation marks behind the names of Adolph, Inde, Ahlers, Grundel and Welske, with the transferdate June 13.

It isn't rocket science.

[Moniroth You-Bell]

Oh yes, I understand now, will do correction on the others