Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

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Lists of Austro-Hungarian Units Galliopli/Middle East

Post by drewsart » 27 Mar 2007 08:01

Good evening all

I was woundering if anybody had constructed a list of Austro-Hungarian units that were deployed to Gallipoli and the Middle East and what those units were made up of

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Post by Peter H » 27 Mar 2007 11:33

From: http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/americancol ... y-ww1.html

Austrian troops leaving Jerusalem
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Post by Tosun Saral » 27 Mar 2007 11:44

My posts in this forum:
"Officers of Austria-Hungary in Ottoman Turkey"
"A rare photo of Mustafa Kemal"

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Post by jwsleser » 27 Mar 2007 13:16

Andrew

Actually Glenn's post is a complete list. I don't believe anything is missing. The best source on A-H involvement is Dr. Peter Jung's book 'Der K.u.K. Wustenkrieg'. Dr. Jung also wrote several excellent articles for the Militair-Wochenblatt covering the Austro-Hungarian involvement in the theater. One article specifically covers Iran and provides some interesting history. The articles also discuss uniforms and equipment. I was able to obtain copies of the specific issues several years ago. I don't know how easy copies are to find today.

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Post by Peter H » 27 Mar 2007 13:35

Something on the Kuk Orientkorps here:

http://www.albert-ottenbacher.de/sedlmayr/index.html


Kuk Truppen in der Türkei

http://cgi.ebay.at/Schmiedt-Ev.....dZViewItem



Gallipoli
Bean states that "one Austrian battery of four 9.5 inch howitzers arrived[at Gallipoli,beginning of December 1915] and was emplaced on the heights near the Anafarta Gap.."(Australian Official History,Volume 2,page 848)

Peter Jung's,Osprey Austro-Hungarian Forces in World War I (1) 1914-1916 gives this battery as k.u.k. 15cm Haubitzbatterie Nr.36.Jung also relates that the k.u.k. 24cm Motor-Mörser-Batterie Nr.9 was also enroute to Gallipoli but with the Allied withdrawal never deployed.Haubitzbatterie Nr.36 then moved to Smyrna as a coastal defence.



Sinai/Palestine
Gebirgshaubitzdivision von Marno,6(?) batteries of 10cm guns(from Gebirgsartillerieregimentern No. 4 und 6),deployed to the Sinai in 1916.Said to have supported the Turks at the Suez Canal,Romani,Gaza.

k.u.k. 10cm Kanonenbatterie Nr.20 deployed to the Jordan in 1918 according to one source but Jumg also has it at Gaza.

All consolidated as Gebirgshaubitzabteilung in der Türkei in late 1917.

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Post by Peter H » 27 Mar 2007 15:04

An Austro-Hungarian infantry unit was also earmarked for service in the Middle East.However more immediate crises in late 1917 meant it was sent to Albania.I think it included Bosnian Muslims.

http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/infdev.htm

A further section of the k.u.k. infantry was the so-called "Orientkorps". This formation had been assembled for the fighting in Palestine but in fact remained under command of the Heeresgruppe Boroević. It was comprised of the following infantry battalions: IV./103, VI./bh.2 and VIII./bh.3 as well as an assault company.

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Post by infantry » 27 Mar 2007 18:04

Even though this info is a bit off topic but still interesting.

At the end of the Gallipoli Campaign ever resourceful Enver Pasha decided to send 2nd Army -reorganized veteran units of Gallipoli- to Austro-Hungarian East Front as reinforcement. Interestingly Austro-Hungary sent sizable amount of new equipment and some heavy weapons.

However due to the collapse of 3rd Army at the Caucasus Front the 2nd Army reassigned to support Caucasus Front.

Therefore 2nd Army personnel went to Caucasus wearing mixed Turkish and Austro-Hungarian equipment.

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Post by drewsart » 27 Mar 2007 23:13

Good morning all

Thank you all very much for the information most informative

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Post by Chris Dale » 29 Mar 2007 22:45

This photo of an Austrian artilleryman in tropical uniform was posted on this forum a while ago. There's also a couple of photos of Austrians in tropical uniform in the Osprey book previously mentioned by the late Peter Jung. If anyone's got any other please post them, I'd be very curious to see more.

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Post by drewsart » 01 Apr 2007 00:15

thanks for the photo Chris

you can see why steve in another post said that the Ottoman artillery was some times confused with the austrian especially looking at the uniform syle

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24 cm A-H guns at Gallipoli

Post by bob lembke » 06 Jul 2007 18:04

Peter;

In March you posted:

" Gallipoli
Bean states that "one Austrian battery of four 9.5 inch howitzers arrived[at Gallipoli,beginning of December 1915] and was emplaced on the heights near the Anafarta Gap.."(Australian Official History,Volume 2,page 848)

Peter Jung's,Osprey Austro-Hungarian Forces in World War I (1) 1914-1916 gives this battery as k.u.k. 15cm Haubitzbatterie Nr.36.Jung also relates that the k.u.k. 24cm Motor-Mörser-Batterie Nr.9 was also enroute to Gallipoli but with the Allied withdrawal never deployed. Haubitzbatterie Nr.36 then moved to Smyrna as a coastal defence. "

My father told me that he saw these guns firing at ANZAC beachhead. He mistook them for the much better known A-H 30.5 cm, which were physically similar, and about which he had heard a lot from his father, who worked with these guns in Belgium and Russia.

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Delighted to be able to post. This is the first time that a post of mine has worked in 2-3 weeks; I kept on getting "Invalid Session" in repeated attempts, and a PM to a Moderator did not stimulate a response. I was afraid that I had committed a P.C. crime of some sort.

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Post by Peter H » 06 Jul 2007 18:23

Thanks Bob.

Good to see you back.

My impression is that the heavy howitzers did lob a shell or two on Anzac as well.

Perhaps someone else can clarify?

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