Which soviet mech corps saw action against the germans in 41

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Which soviet mech corps saw action against the germans in 41

Post by Kuniworth » 19 May 2007 17:18

Hi guys I wonder if you have facts on which of the Mech Corps who saw action against the germans before they were disbanded(july 1941). Im very interested in particular those stationed in caucasus, kharkov etc eg the interior so to speak.

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Post by daveh » 20 May 2007 17:09

Excluding those Mechanised Corps stationed on the Western borders I know of the following , as of 22/6/41,

Number Location (district)
5: Trans Baikal Saw action in S and v. 3rd Panzer Group
7: Moscow Saw action Smolensk
21: Moscow Saw action Baltic States
23: Orel Saw action against 3rd Panzer Group
25: Volga Saw action on the road to Moscow
26: N Caucasus Saw action early 7/41
27: Central Asia Never committed to action
28: Transcaucasus Never committed to action
29: Trans Baikal Probably due to form on 1/7/41 but never was.
30: Far Eastern Officially formed 1/7/41 but as its 57th Tank Division was already fighting in the west it was never formed

On 15/7/41 all mechanised corps HQ were ordered disbanded though quite a few lasted into August 1941

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Post by BIGpanzer » 22 May 2007 02:17

Mechanized Corps on 22.06.1941:

1st (LVO, Luga) - disbanded 23.08.1941
2nd (ODVO, Dubossary) - disbanded 10.08.1941
3rd (POVO, Keidany) - disbanded 16.08.1941
4th (KOVO, Lvov) - used for organization of 37th army 23.07.1941
5th (ZBVO, Borzya -> Cherkassy) - disbanded 02.08.1941
6th (ZOVO, Bialystok) - defeated 27.06.1941
7th (MVO, Moscow -> Orsha) - used for organization of Yartsevo task forse 06.08.1941
8th (KOVO, Sambor) - used for organization of 38th army 27.07.1941
9th (KOVO, Lutsk) - disbanded 09.08.1941
10th (LVO, Sestroretsk) - used for organization of Luga task forse 20.07.1941
11th (ZOVO, Volkovysk) - defeated 28.06.1941
12th (POVO, Naise) - disbanded 25.08.1941
13th (ZOVO, Belsk-Podlyaski) - disbanded 28.06.1941
14th (ZOVO, Kobrin) - disbanded 30.06.1941
15th (KOVO, Brody) - defeated 19.09.1941
16th (KOVO, Kamenets-Podolsky) - defeated 06.08.1941
17th (ZOVO, Baranovichi) - disbanded 11.08.1941
18th (ODVO, Akkerman) - defeated 06.08.1941
19th (KOVO, Novograd-Volynsky) - disbanded 30.08.1941
20th (ZOVO, Borisov) - disbanded 21.07.1941
21st (ZOVO, Kalinin) - disbanded 23.08.1941
22nd (KOVO, Rovno) - disbanded 03.09.1941
23rd (ORVO, Voronezh) - reorganized into 23rd rifle corps
24th (KOVO, Vinnitsa) - disbanded 01.08.1941
25th (KhVO, Kharkov -> Mironovka) - used for organization of Bryansk Front 20.08.1941
26th (SKVO, Armavir) - disbanded 28.07.1941
27th (SAVO, Mary) - disbanded 20.08.1941
28th (ZKVO, Yerevan) - used for organization of 47th arny 30.07.1941
30th (DVF, Novoe) - disbanded 19.07.1941

21: Moscow Saw action Baltic States

Not Moscow - located in Kalinin
25: Volga Saw action on the road to Moscow

Not Volga - located in Kharkov, later moved to Mironovka
30: Far Eastern Officially formed 1/7/41 but as its 57th Tank Division was already fighting in the west it was never formed

Wrong info.
30th was formed 03.1941 [58th and 69th tank divisions, 239th motorized division, 29th motorcycle regiment], disbanded 19.07.1941
57th Red Banner tank division [ex-11th tank brigade, Bayan-Terem -> Cherkassy] was a part of 16th army, reorganized into 128th tank brigade of 20th army 01.09.1941, defeated 10.41 near Vyazma.
On 15/7/41 all mechanised corps HQ were ordered disbanded though quite a few lasted into August 1941

See above

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Post by Rodan Lewarx » 22 May 2007 08:04

If you can read russian check the book of Eugene Drig "Mechcorps RKKA in a battle" or see his site http://mechcorps.rkka.ru .

BIGpanzer wrote:Mechanized Corps on 22.06.1941:
1st (LVO, Luga) - disbanded 23.08.1941

Why Luga? Units of 1st mechcorps were in Pskov (HQ), Porkhov (3rd tank div) and Ostrov (163rd mot.), 1st tank div. was removed from corps in the middle of june 1941 and transferred to Karelia.

2nd (ODVO, Dubossary) - disbanded 10.08.1941

Corps HQ was in Tiraspol', but in Dubossary located 6th motocycle rgt of corps.

3rd (POVO, Keidany) - disbanded 16.08.1941

Vilnus

4th (KOVO, Lvov) - used for organization of 37th army 23.07.1941
5th (ZBVO, Borzya -> Cherkassy) - disbanded 02.08.1941
6th (ZOVO, Bialystok) - defeated 27.06.1941
7th (MVO, Moscow -> Orsha) - used for organization of Yartsevo task forse 06.08.1941

Yes
8th (KOVO, Sambor) - used for organization of 38th army 27.07.1941

Drogobych
9th (KOVO, Lutsk) - disbanded 09.08.1941

Novograd-Volynsk

10th (LVO, Sestroretsk) - used for organization of Luga task forse 20.07.1941

Novyj Petergof

11th (ZOVO, Volkovysk) - defeated 28.06.1941

yes
12th (POVO, Naise) - disbanded 25.08.1941

Elgava, since 18.06.41 - Shyaulyaj

13th (ZOVO, Belsk-Podlyaski) - disbanded 28.06.1941
14th (ZOVO, Kobrin) - disbanded 30.06.1941
15th (KOVO, Brody) - defeated 19.09.1941
16th (KOVO, Kamenets-Podolsky) - defeated 06.08.1941
17th (ZOVO, Baranovichi) - disbanded 11.08.1941
18th (ODVO, Akkerman) - defeated 06.08.1941

yes
19th (KOVO, Novograd-Volynsky) - disbanded 30.08.1941

Berdichev
20th (ZOVO, Borisov) - disbanded 21.07.1941

yes
21st (ZOVO, Kalinin) - disbanded 23.08.1941

MVO, Idritsa

22nd (KOVO, Rovno) - disbanded 03.09.1941
23rd (ORVO, Voronezh) - reorganized into 23rd rifle corps


24th (KOVO, Vinnitsa) - disbanded 01.08.1941

Proskurov

25th (KhVO, Kharkov -> Mironovka) - used for organization of Bryansk Front 20.08.1941
26th (SKVO, Armavir) - disbanded 28.07.1941
27th (SAVO, Mary) - disbanded 20.08.1941
28th (ZKVO, Yerevan) - used for organization of 47th arny 30.07.1941

yes

29th (ZabVO, Mongolia) - disbanded 07.05.41, divisions became independent and fought
30th (DVF, Novoe) - disbanded 19.07.1941

Monastyrishche

21: Moscow Saw action Baltic States

Not Moscow - located in Kalinin

It's mistake, there was no corps HQ in Kalinin, only flamethrower tanks school

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Post by BIGpanzer » 22 May 2007 15:43

Hi, Rodan!
Yes, I can read Russian and all my info about mechanized corps is from this Russian book: "Red Army in June 1941, statistical book" by Kalashnikov, Fes'kov, Chmyhalo, Golikov (Novosibirsk, 2003). Some differences between exact places of location could be explained by several reasons: close distance between places mentioned by different sources [so it is possible to mention several places, especially if different units of corps were located at different places], move of HQ from one place into another just before or after 22.06.1941, etc.

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Post by Rodan Lewarx » 23 May 2007 14:59

Yes, I think so except 2 corps - 1st and 21st.

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Post by BIGpanzer » 23 May 2007 17:29

Hi, Rodan!
Rodan wrote:
Yes, I think so except 2 corps - 1st and 21st.

Yes, our infos are in very good agreement.
Rodan wrote: Why Luga? Units of 1st mechcorps were in Pskov (HQ), Porkhov (3rd tank div) and Ostrov (163rd mot.), 1st tank div. was removed from corps in the middle of june 1941 and transferred to Karelia.

Luga is quite correct.
According to my info - HQ of 1st mechcorps was in Pskov, 1st Red Banner tank division was in Luga till 19.06.1941 and later it transferred to Kandalaksha [Murmansk region], 3rd Red Banner tank division was in Porkhov, 163rd motorized division was in Pskov.
Rodan wrote about 21st mechcorps:
MVO, Idritsa

MVO, Idritsa and Opochka [Pskov region, transferred there in spring 1941 from Moscow for training].

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Post by Rodan Lewarx » 25 May 2007 08:19

According to my info - HQ of 1st mechcorps was in Pskov

Yes.

1st Red Banner tank division was in Luga till 19.06.1941

My sources said that 1st tank division was in Pskov. Viktor Il'ich Baranov (command of 1st tank division on 22.06.41) wrote in his memoirs (http://www.rkka.ru/memory/baranov/1.htm):
"In 1941 I served near Leningrad, command 3rd tank division. Nearer war suddenly change my destiny. In the middle of june I was called to HQ of military district and received the order to take a command over 1st Red Banner tank division, which urgently transferred from Pskov to Transpolar."
And at next page:
"In the may - june 1st tank division was in summer camp near Pskov..."

The same information you can find at http://mechcorps.rkka.ru

3rd Red Banner tank division was in Porkhov

Yes, it was in Porkhov. And http://mechcorps.rkka.ru said that in the period 18.09-08.10.1940 it was in Luga. BTW, my grandfather served in this division. ;)

MVO, Idritsa and Opochka [Pskov region, transferred there in spring 1941 from Moscow for training].

Yes, MVO, not ZOVO (ZapOVO ). ;) BTW, Idritsa is now in Pskov region but on 22.06.41 this town was in Kalinin region. The borders of some regions were changed after the war.

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Post by AMVAS » 28 May 2007 15:49

BIGpanzer wrote:Hi, Rodan!
Yes, I can read Russian and all my info about mechanized corps is from this Russian book: "Red Army in June 1941, statistical book" by Kalashnikov, Fes'kov, Chmyhalo, Golikov (Novosibirsk, 2003). Some differences between exact places of location could be explained by several reasons: close distance between places mentioned by different sources [so it is possible to mention several places, especially if different units of corps were located at different places], move of HQ from one place into another just before or after 22.06.1941, etc.

Regards, BP


I would recommend to be careful with this book. It is known to contain too many errors..

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