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Re: sentences by british courts

Post by Puck » 20 Jun 2021 20:37

Josef Klingler was born in Großjetscha/Iecea Mare (Romania)
Eichler died 1948 in prison Werl (was 1947 54 years old)

http://www.akens.org/akens/texte/info/54/taeter_54.pdf

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Re: sentences by britisch courts

Post by Puck » 29 Apr 2022 08:54

danyb wrote:
27 Mar 2012 17:26
gestapo Hannover trial:
- Kurt Rasche
- Alfred Peeck
- Reinhold Pluennecke
- Karl Wolters
- Adolf Methfessel
- Félix Zeise
Karl Gustav Caesar Wolters (*29.03.1908) Merchant, Civilian, Gestapo, Waffen-SS
1946 in CIC Fallingbostel
Wolters, Karl.jpg
According to another 2nd source (http://www.michael-quelle.de/nicht-geac ... -geachtet/ - not available yet) also guard in Ghetto Warschau and member of EK9

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Re: sentences by british courts

Post by steve248 » 29 Apr 2022 11:14

Wolters was not a guard at Warsaw ghetto after his service on Osteinsatz with EK 9 From June 1941 to Dec 1942. From Dec 1942 to April 1945 with Stapo Hannover.

Wolters had been called up in to the Waffen-SS in March 1940 as SS-Mann and posted to 8.SS-Inf.Regt at Krakau. June 1940 re-assigned to Warsaw. 17 Sept 1940 discharged from Waffen-SS.

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Post by steve248 » 29 Apr 2022 11:17

Trial details for Wolters:
9-14 Apr 1947 tried by a British Military Court at Brunswick charged with complicity in the killing of Allied nationals (Russian forced labourers) at Seelhorst cemetery on 6 April 1945
14 Apr 1947 convicted and sentenced to 13 years imprisonment
Feb 1950 sentence commuted to 8 years imprisonment
8 June 1950 sentence commuted to 5 years imprisonment
13 Aug 1950 released

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Post by Puck » 29 Apr 2022 12:57

Thank you Stephen for the details :thumbsup:

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Re: sentences by britisch courts

Post by Puck » 29 Apr 2022 18:13

danyb wrote:
27 Mar 2012 17:26
gestapo Hanover trial:
- Kurt Rasche
- Alfred Peeck
- Reinhold Pluennecke
- Karl Wolters
- Adolf Methfessel
- Félix Zeise
Felix Zeise should be Felix Ziese (*13.01.1908) Kraftfahrer, Gestapo, SD
1946 in CIC Fallingbostel

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Re: sentences by british courts

Post by steve248 » 29 Apr 2022 18:33

Felix Ziese it is, 13 Jan 1908 born Dingelstedt/Krs Worbis.
Tried and found Not Guilty and released.

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Re: sentences by british courts

Post by Daggien » 21 Mar 2023 00:47

Hi
My grandfather was Willi Friedrich Reinhold Tiege. I know very little of him because he was sent out of norway when my father was about 4-5 years old. And we never heard of him again.
Do you have any info about him? What did he do in norway, about the war court and when happened when he went to Germany and so on?

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Post by steve248 » 21 Mar 2023 17:16

Willi Tiege
I do not understand why he did not come back to his family:
Oct 1940-May 1941 after 'notdienstverpflichtet' by RSHA Berlin employed there in the
Fahrbereitschaft as Kraftfahrer, SS-Rottenführer (Kaporal)
12 May 41-May 1945 Kraftfahrer with KdS Bergen, SS-Unterscharführer (Unterfeldwebel)
May 1945 interned in Norway
27 Oct 1945 Counter Intelligence Questionnaire at Akershus Prison, Oslo
29 Nov-4 Dec 1945, tried and acquitted by a British Military Court, Oslo, of complicity in the killing of one British and six Norwegian POWs in July 1943. The prisoners had been caught on MTB 345 and shot at Ulven camp near Bergen. [MTB = E-Boot]
15 Dec 1946 transferred from Norway to 2 CIC (Civilian Internment Camp) at Sandbostel

I have no information after this time; in the 1950s British and the Americans transferred all their German POW records to the West German government and z.Zt. at the Deutsche Dienststelle Berlin. You can ask them for his records.

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Re: sentences by british courts

Post by Daggien » 21 Mar 2023 19:54

Thank you so much. If anybody else have more info I'll be very happy.
Info about why he didn't get convicted and what happened when he came to Germany

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Re: sentences by british courts

Post by steve248 » 25 Mar 2023 17:48

Daggien,

It is many years since I looked through the trial records such as they are. Some contain a transcript of the trial proceedings, some do not. The usual grounds for "freigesprochen" in cases like this are lack of evidence or the court believed a person did not participate in the crime. The fact that Willi Tiege was a long-service Kraftfahrer he would only have driven the shooters to the scene - the victims were already there.

When he came to 2 CIC in Sandbostel the denazification process was in full swing. So Tiege was waiting his turn to appear before the denazification court. All these men had lawyers who traced other men who would known Tiege and said he was a nice guy who did nothing.
He could happily have pointed out his acquittal in Norway without fear.

What would the denazification court have charged him with? He was a NSDAP member, SS member but still a driver. Probably given a small fine reckoned as served by internment and released.

Daggien says in post #233 that Tiege did not return to his family. He did not need to go "underground" or flee to south American so maybe, just maybe, he died at Sandbostel or another internment camp. The British authorities would have advised his next of kin even if they lived in Soviet Zone.

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Re: sentences by british courts

Post by Puck » 25 Mar 2023 18:16

Wille Tiege was also present at a execution of 28 serbians as the report describes.
Is there any chance he might have been extradicted to Yugoslavia?

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Re: sentences by british courts

Post by steve248 » 25 Mar 2023 21:05

Tiege does not says he was ever in Serbia, but if he was present at an execution of 28 Serbians IN NORWAY, he may have been subject to extradition to Yugoslavia from the British Zone. Even so, there must have been a really strong case for extradition because an application for extradition went before an "Extradition Panel" in the British Zone who decided whether or not to extradite. They did not always agree with the extradition application.

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Re: sentences by british courts

Post by Puck » 25 Mar 2023 21:11

I didn't say that Tiege said he was ever in Serbia :wink:

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Re: sentences by british courts

Post by steve248 » 26 Mar 2023 10:48

No you did not, but I simply went through the motions of saying he was not in Serbia before suggesting an alternative!
There was a large number of "Yugoslav" POWs doing forced labour in Norway. Some were killed. Postwar there was a Yugoslav war crimes commission in Norway looking for the killers. Usually the transfer of such men from Norway to a CIC in the British Zone was regarded and noted as an extradition. The information about Tiege in British files do not mention this.

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