The official AHF Third Reich music quiz thread
Re: Question 95
Sadly, a number of (January) posts were lost during the forum's migration to the new server, including my note regarding the Marschfantasie. So I'll try to write it again.
To my knowledge, there's only one period source that (seemingly) credited Baumann as an author of a march fantasy over his song "Es zittern die morschen Knochen": Telefunken A 2501. This record actually contains two march fantasies, over Götz & Flex's song "Wildgänse rauschen durch die Nacht" and over Baumann's "Es zittern die morschen Knochen". However: on the record labels, the Telefunken company credited (as usual) only the authors of the original songs, and not the authors of the new arrangements/compositions. There was even a version of the labels with no composers credited; instead, both tracks were mistakenly credited as folk songs. So, the Telefunken info can't be considered reliable/definite. Of course, Baumann still might have had composed such a piece, but, with the current info, there's no real reason to believe that he did.
What adds to my suspicion is the fact that, according to F. K. Prieberg's research, Alfred von Beckerath composed a march fantasy over this song, entitled "Es zittern die morschen Knochen, Marschfantasie über ein Kampflied von Hans Baumann" (he credited no source though). The very same title appears on the Telefunken label. Prieberg did also mention Baumann himself composing such a piece, but his source for this info was the same, unreliable Telefunken record.
Anyhow, without a solid confirmation from a different period source, the author of the Telefunken march fantasy should be considered unknown. The decisive info on this matter might be found in the original Telefunken recording list. Unfortunately, I only have a short version of the list at the moment, with no track authors credited. So if anyone has a complete copy of the Telefunken recording list, with authors of "Wildgänse" (mx. 22895) and "Es zittern" (mx. 22896) credited (including, hopefully, the new arrangers), please let us know.
Edit, 24.04.2023: The Telefunken recording list credited (Fritz) Henschke as arranger of both "Es zittern die morschen Knochen" and "Wildgänse rauschen durch die Nacht" (thanks to C. Zwarg for the info).
Cheers,
Ivan
To my knowledge, there's only one period source that (seemingly) credited Baumann as an author of a march fantasy over his song "Es zittern die morschen Knochen": Telefunken A 2501. This record actually contains two march fantasies, over Götz & Flex's song "Wildgänse rauschen durch die Nacht" and over Baumann's "Es zittern die morschen Knochen". However: on the record labels, the Telefunken company credited (as usual) only the authors of the original songs, and not the authors of the new arrangements/compositions. There was even a version of the labels with no composers credited; instead, both tracks were mistakenly credited as folk songs. So, the Telefunken info can't be considered reliable/definite. Of course, Baumann still might have had composed such a piece, but, with the current info, there's no real reason to believe that he did.
What adds to my suspicion is the fact that, according to F. K. Prieberg's research, Alfred von Beckerath composed a march fantasy over this song, entitled "Es zittern die morschen Knochen, Marschfantasie über ein Kampflied von Hans Baumann" (he credited no source though). The very same title appears on the Telefunken label. Prieberg did also mention Baumann himself composing such a piece, but his source for this info was the same, unreliable Telefunken record.
Anyhow, without a solid confirmation from a different period source, the author of the Telefunken march fantasy should be considered unknown. The decisive info on this matter might be found in the original Telefunken recording list. Unfortunately, I only have a short version of the list at the moment, with no track authors credited. So if anyone has a complete copy of the Telefunken recording list, with authors of "Wildgänse" (mx. 22895) and "Es zittern" (mx. 22896) credited (including, hopefully, the new arrangers), please let us know.
Edit, 24.04.2023: The Telefunken recording list credited (Fritz) Henschke as arranger of both "Es zittern die morschen Knochen" and "Wildgänse rauschen durch die Nacht" (thanks to C. Zwarg for the info).
Cheers,
Ivan
Re: Question 95
Hello, Maiko and Ivan,
yes, Maiko is correct, I meant this. I've read your first post as well, Ivan, thank you for that information! I agree that often the authors of the original works were credited also as authors of the phantasies and other arrangements of their songs, so I admit that Beckerath could be the author of the phantasy (like Arthur Seidel and his phatansies over Richard Wagner). Especially since Beckerath composed further works for the symphonic wind orchestra (like "Sinfonie für Blasorchester"). My question, however, concerned merely the genre, less the author. So I guess it's Maiko's turn to post a question and thank you again, Ivan!
Best,
Auceps
yes, Maiko is correct, I meant this. I've read your first post as well, Ivan, thank you for that information! I agree that often the authors of the original works were credited also as authors of the phantasies and other arrangements of their songs, so I admit that Beckerath could be the author of the phantasy (like Arthur Seidel and his phatansies over Richard Wagner). Especially since Beckerath composed further works for the symphonic wind orchestra (like "Sinfonie für Blasorchester"). My question, however, concerned merely the genre, less the author. So I guess it's Maiko's turn to post a question and thank you again, Ivan!
Best,
Auceps
Question 96
Hello everyone !
This one should be quite easy : At the beginning of this video, which song is sung by the youths on their way to their fight ?
Cheers
Maiko
This one should be quite easy : At the beginning of this video, which song is sung by the youths on their way to their fight ?
Cheers
Maiko
Re: Question 96
It's the first time I see this video And the song is Schulten's "Weit laßt die Fahnen wehen".
Cheers,
Ivan
Cheers,
Ivan
Re: Question 96
Hello Ivan,
Good answer ! And so fast !
It is your turn now.
Cheers
Maiko
P.S. I like that video too Some rarely seen material...
Good answer ! And so fast !
It is your turn now.
Cheers
Maiko
P.S. I like that video too Some rarely seen material...
Question 97
Alright - a new one! Guess the name of the song!
Re: Question 97
Hello, Ivan,
that must be 'Das Lied der Männer vom Westwallbau'.
Cheers,
Auceps
that must be 'Das Lied der Männer vom Westwallbau'.
Cheers,
Auceps
Re: Question 97
A recording from the film "Der Westwall".
Reminder: the song's original title was "Lied der Männer vom Westwall", see viewtopic.php?f=81&t=47014
Your turn!
Ivan
Reminder: the song's original title was "Lied der Männer vom Westwall", see viewtopic.php?f=81&t=47014
Your turn!
Ivan
Question 98
Well, I guess it's finally time to ask another question here: Which additional noises were unintentionally recorded in the world's first stereo recording of the first movement of Beethoven's 5th Piano Concerto (also know as the 'Emperor' Concerto) made in the Third Reich?
Cheers,
Auceps
Cheers,
Auceps
Re: Question 98
I believe it is the sound of bombs exploding as an air raid was in progress over Berlin at that particular moment...
Cheers
Maiko
Cheers
Maiko
Re: Question 98
From what I know, there are two versions, one is bombs, second is the shots of the German AA guns trying to hit those, who were trying to drop these bombs, so the Allied air forces. One can hear it in the recording (here from 16:43):
https://youtu.be/vm61UqRzFNg?t=1002
So you're correct and it's your turn!
Cheers,
Auceps
https://youtu.be/vm61UqRzFNg?t=1002
So you're correct and it's your turn!
Cheers,
Auceps
Question 99
Thank you Auceps. I find it quite unbelievable that the guys did not even stop playing and run for shelter . Kind of extreme professional conscience or were they used that much to the bombings that they just did not move anymore when they heard the wailing sirens ?!...
Alright, this march will sound familiar to many of you... but who will be able to name it ?
Cheers
Maiko
Alright, this march will sound familiar to many of you... but who will be able to name it ?
Cheers
Maiko
Re: Question 99
Is this "Ein junges Volk steht auf" ?
Re: Question 99
Well, you are not far, really !
It is not Werner Altendorf's "Ein junges Volk steht auf"... but this march from another composer includes the melody of "Ein junges Volk steht auf".
If you dig a little more on this forum, no doubt that you will find.
Cheers
Maiko
It is not Werner Altendorf's "Ein junges Volk steht auf"... but this march from another composer includes the melody of "Ein junges Volk steht auf".
If you dig a little more on this forum, no doubt that you will find.
Cheers
Maiko
Re: Question 99
Georg Blumensaat's 'Schweriner Fahnenmarsch'!!
That is a very good clear recording, very intriguing. Blumensaat made some very good intro marches!
That is a very good clear recording, very intriguing. Blumensaat made some very good intro marches!