What this gun?

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What this gun?

Post by vad26 » 16 Jul 2007 16:53

Supposedly - Russia, 1941. But....

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Post by Gothard » 16 Jul 2007 17:19

Its a Krupp Built 305mm Russian model 1886 naval gun. Modified in 1891 by the barrel hoops for strength by the Obukhovski factory

30.5cm KstK 628(r)
30.5cm Küstenkanone 628(r)
Canon d’artillerie côtière russe de 305mm



http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussi ... _m1886.htm
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Post by jopaerya » 16 Jul 2007 17:21

Hello Vad26

The gun is a French 240 mm Mle 1884 , it
could be a French Bat. Bastion I at Calais .

Regards Jos

Photo = Les Batteries Cotieres from A.C.
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Post by Gothard » 16 Jul 2007 17:42

http://www.witzgilles.com/canon%20240mm1914-1918.jpg
http://www.slcmaquettes.com/images/beut ... 0K%20556(f).jpg
http://www.slcmaquettes.com/images/beut ... 0K%20556(f).jpg

the 240mm Schneider 1884 was a single barrel. Krupps guns were almost always multi stage barrels

youll have to paste the second link into your browser.

THe Photos you show are clearly the same gun as his photo. Theres a chance that the guns are mislabeled.

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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 16 Jul 2007 18:06

Looks like some sort of cast steel gun predating wirewound guns (1870-1880?), judging by the background(The Onion dome and the dock loading cranes) it may be from Sevastopol.

I see since I cut this post, more have been made.
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Post by Gothard » 16 Jul 2007 18:07

http://fortress.wl.dvgu.ru/eng/1932_en.htm

heres similar guns ( longer caliber ) in a triple mount in vladivostok. notice the distinctive breech mechanism and barrel rings. theres no other french guns... or for that matter any guns outside of russia with the barrel rings that im aware of.

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Post by Gothard » 16 Jul 2007 18:46

gotta go to work - its a fascinating topic though. Were all kind of victims of reading things as they appear apparently. I think we need to really examine this subject.

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Post by Gothard » 16 Jul 2007 18:47

ChristopherPerrien wrote:Looks like some sort of cast steel gun predating wirewound guns (1870-1880?), judging by the background(The Onion dome and the dock loading cranes) it may be from Sevastopol.

I see since I cut this post, more have been made.


not cast steel - the barrel is sectional.

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Post by vad26 » 17 Jul 2007 14:58

ChristopherPerrien
"..............it may be from Sevastopol................."


No. 100% - not Sevastopol (I here live :) ). But was a version - Nikolaev.

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Post by vesubius » 17 Jul 2007 15:37

I`m absolutely sure in a thing, the piece is french, Saint Chamond made, and located in Calais, like in the Jopaerya posted photos. Another thing is about the piece model: It is similar to the Saint Chamond md 1884 but the barrel do not correspond to this

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Post by Gothard » 17 Jul 2007 17:50

the barrel rings were put in place to protect the bore from expanding an causing shell wobble.. its very distinctively a russian feature. many guns were moved from russia to the westwall for coastal duties.. so being in france doesnt make a gun french. the key is in the construction. the 2 hoisting rails on the top are extremely distinctive as is the circular gas breech and the sectional construction - a classic krupp feature in the 1880's.

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Post by Chazette » 17 Jul 2007 23:31

i all is not the same gun
this photo in first of the post is a 240 mm or 24 cm mle 1884 GP (Grande puissance)
only 2 gun was make in coastal bie in Calais Bastion 1
the gun is bigger than a Mle 1884 normal
see differents guns of Mle 1884
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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 18 Jul 2007 00:31

I believe Jopaerya is correct and his (vad.jpg) pictures are of the same gun in the same place(Calais) as the topic picture.

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Post by jopaerya » 23 Jul 2007 21:27

Here 2 photo's of the same gun

http://cgi.ebay.de/101-Orig-Foto-Kueste ... dZViewItem

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