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Submarine K-21

Post by James A Pratt III » 29 Aug 2007 04:21

I am looking for info on the WW II Russian submarine K-21. I know how many ships it sank from the below Russian sub section. I would like to know what years it was in service and what else did it do. Also how was it paited during the WW II/GPW years 1941-1945. From photos this and other sub look like they were painted black but I have read that artic boats were painted Black Green hull and conning tower with Black decks. Which is rigtht?

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Post by BIGpanzer » 29 Aug 2007 11:38

Hello!

Here is the info [shortly] from Prof. Platonov's book about Soviet WWII submarines.

Submarine K-21 [large submarine of K-type series XIV] - laid down 10.12.1937 in Leningrad [shipyard No. 196], launched 16.08.1939. It was included into Red Banner Baltic Navy 03.02.1941.

22.06.1941 - K-21 [commander - captain-lieutenant A. Zhukov] met the begining of war during transfer from Baltic to the North along White Sea-Baltic channel. 28.08.1941 it came to Molotovsk (Severodvinsk), 17.09.1941 - included into North Navy. After training K-21 came to Polyarny 24.10.1941 [U-576 detected it 23.10.1941 in the throat of White Sea]. 12.11.1941 K-21 attacked convoy and it was pursued by enemy patrol ships after that [8 depth charges were dropped and fuel tank of K-21 was damaged; K-21 returned to home base because of fuel leakage].

08.01.1942 - patroled the position between Is. Loppen and Is. Sere. 21.01.1942 - sank Norwegian fishing motorboat F 223 N (15 brt) by artillery fire [2 100mm shells were used]. 04.03.1942 - the commander of K-21 became captain 2nd rank (later captain 3rd rank) N. Lunin. 11.-14.03.1942 - participated in rescue operation to help Shch-402: K-21 delivered 8 tons of fuel and 120 litres of diesel oil to Shch-402 13.03.1942. Because of collisions of two submarines during strong storm ballast tank No. 6 and regulatink tank of K-21 were lightly damaged. 05.07.1941 K-21 unsuccessfully attacked (4 torpedos) German battleship "Tirpitz" between Is. Sere - Is. Rolvse. 23.10.1942 K-21 was awarded with Red Banner order.

12.02.1943 - the strong fire occured in 5th compartment during run to the combat position, the fire was extinguished in 4 hours only. K-21 lost the ability to dive, and crew prepared it to explosion. Damages were repaired in the open sea till 17.02.1943. 19.02.1943 K-21 landed recon group in the corresponding area from the second attempt. 20.02.1941 K-21 detected enemy submarine [at 2:55] and tried to ram it, but enemy submarine dived.
02.04.1943 - came to the combat mission but returned back to the base for repair of fins [damaged them because of collision with berth during departure]. 03.04.1943 - was lightly damaged by close bomb explosions during repair in dock in Roste. 12.04.1943 - shelled Norwegian fishing motor boats during 2 hours, 44 100mm shells were used: seine-netter "Frocy" (40 brt) was sunk, "Havegga" and "Oistein" were damaged, 7 men from "Skrein" were captured and "Skrein" was abandoned; ammunition bearer sailor A. Labutin was washed from the deck by waves and he was captured by Norwegians (seine-netter "Baren"). 27.06.1943 K-21 came to the combat mission but short circuit of right electric engine took place in several hours and the submarine returned back to the base. Came to the combat mission again the same day after repair but 28.06.1943 bearing part of stern diving planes was damaged because of crash dive with strong trim, K-21 returned back to Polyarny base again.23.12.1943 - the commander became captain-lieutenant (later captain 3rd rank) Z. Arvanov. 10.04.1944 K-21 laid mines and 2 mines were damaged. Since 15.04.1945 - under repair and modernization. Removed from the list of warships 11.09.1954, reequipped into recharge station. Since 24.07.1983 [after repair in Polyarny] - memorial submarine and branch of the museum of North Navy in Severomorsk.

Torpedo attacks during career [shortly, I have no time to mention time of detection, distance of detection, time of attack, etc. :cry: ]. 10 torpedo attacks.
09.11.1941 - near Gammerfest - transport; 2 torpedos from 8 cables, missed.
12.11.1941 - Seresund strait [70.43'N, 24.04'E] - 2 transports, patrol boat V6109 "Nordwind"; 3 torpedos from 20 cables, missed [it was considered officially that one transport was sunk].
13.01.1942 - Is. Loppa [70.50'N, 23.50'E] - transports "Fechenheim" (8116 brt), "Tyrifjord" (3080 brt), 4 anti-submarine vessels; 2 torpedos from 20 cables, missed [it was considered officially that one transport was sunk]. .
31.03.1942 - near Varde. Seaplane-carrier "Admiral Karl Hering" [1436 brt], transport "Almora" [2522 brt], tanker "Oleum" [475 brt], 4 patrol ships; 6 torpedos from 22 cables, missed.
05.07.1942 - Is. Sere-Is. Rolvse. Battleship "Tirpitz", heavy cruiser, 8 destroyers; 4 torpedos from 17-18 cables, missed.
19.08.1942 - Is. Lopa [70.27'N, 21.39'E] - transport "Sevres" [5089 brt], 2 patrol ships; 4 torpedos, missed.
19.08.1942 - Is. Lopa [70.27'N, 21.39'E] - 2 patrol ships; 4 torpedos, missed.
20.02.1943 - Is. Vogen. Fishing motorboats near berth. 4 torpedos from 12 cables, several motorboats were sunk.
09.04.1943 - Is. Lopa [70.34'N, 21.38'E] - mine-layer "Brummer", 5 patrol ships; 6 torpedos from 14 cables, missed [it was considered officially that mine-layer was sunk].

Mine installations - I have no time to post the large table from the book with exact time, coordinates, amount of mines, depth of mines, space between mines, speed during mine installations... :cry:
Shortly - 7 mine installations were performed (120 mines): two enemy ships were exploded on them - 21.12.1941 Norwegian transport "Bessheim" [1774 brt. with soldiers-vacationers on board] off Gammerfest (70.39'N, 23.38'E) and 09.07.1942 anti-submarine vessel UJ1110 off Gammerfest (70.39'N, 23.38"E). Also, probably, transport "Rigel" (3828 brt) was damaged on mine from K-21 10.11.1941.

K-21 performed 12 combat missions (163 days), served 43.7 months during the war (17.09.1941-09.05.1945).

Regards, BP

PS. Some photos -
http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/fromunder/27.jpg [K-21 in 1942, North Navy]
http://www.istorya.ru/book/ww2/img/tmp11B-147.jpg [K-21 during patrol mission]
http://pobeda.rambler.ru/images/object_ ... .51742.jpg
http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/submarines/pic/k21.jpg
http://www.club-tm.ru/Kombrig/Catalog/combrig70229.jpg
http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/fromunder/28.jpg [crewmembers of K-21]
http://www.randewy.ru/mod/podlodkak3.gif
http://rk6xwb.bip.ru/foto/397.jpg [the report of captain N. Lunin (to the right) about attack against "Tirpitz"]
http://photo.murman.ru/www/vcards.nsf/i ... 000113.jpg [K-21 as memorial submarine today]
http://odessitclub.org/club/odessits_ab ... k-21_1.gif

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Post by James A Pratt III » 01 Sep 2007 02:49

Thanks you gave me everything I wanted except the paint scheme. I building a model of this sub.

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Post by BIGpanzer » 01 Sep 2007 15:44

You are welcome!
Paint scheme of large submarines of "K"-type -
http://techmol.narod.ru/TM/IST_SER/1972/b11_.jpg [to open the file you need to click on its name [orange line] ones more when the blue screen appear]

This will be also useful probably:
http://book.uraic.ru/elib/pl/lodki/img/k2.jpg
http://book.uraic.ru/elib/pl/lodki/img/k4.jpg

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 01 Sep 2007 22:40

BIGpanzer wrote:Torpedo attacks during career [shortly, I have no time to mention time of detection, distance of detection, time of attack, etc. :cry: ]. 10 torpedo attacks.
09.11.1941 - near Gammerfest - transport; 2 torpedos from 8 cables, missed.
12.11.1941 - Seresund strait [70.43'N, 24.04'E] - 2 transports, patrol boat V6109 "Nordwind"; 3 torpedos from 20 cables, missed [it was considered officially that one transport was sunk].
13.01.1942 - Is. Loppa [70.50'N, 23.50'E] - transports "Fechenheim" (8116 brt), "Tyrifjord" (3080 brt), 4 anti-submarine vessels; 2 torpedos from 20 cables, missed [it was considered officially that one transport was sunk]. .
31.03.1942 - near Varde. Seaplane-carrier "Admiral Karl Hering" [1436 brt], transport "Almora" [2522 brt], tanker "Oleum" [475 brt], 4 patrol ships; 6 torpedos from 22 cables, missed.
05.07.1942 - Is. Sere-Is. Rolvse. Battleship "Tirpitz", heavy cruiser, 8 destroyers; 4 torpedos from 17-18 cables, missed.
19.08.1942 - Is. Lopa [70.27'N, 21.39'E] - transport "Sevres" [5089 brt], 2 patrol ships; 4 torpedos, missed.
19.08.1942 - Is. Lopa [70.27'N, 21.39'E] - 2 patrol ships; 4 torpedos, missed. 20.02.1943 - Is. Vogen. Fishing motorboats near berth. 4 torpedos from 12 cables, several motorboats were sunk.
09.04.1943 - Is. Lopa [70.34'N, 21.38'E] - mine-layer "Brummer", 5 patrol ships; 6 torpedos from 14 cables, missed [it was considered officially that mine-layer was sunk].

Mine installations - I have no time to post the large table from the book with exact time, coordinates, amount of mines, depth of mines, space between mines, speed during mine installations... :cry:
Shortly - 7 mine installations were performed (120 mines): two enemy ships were exploded on them - 21.12.1941 Norwegian transport "Bessheim" [1774 brt. with soldiers-vacationers on board] off Gammerfest (70.39'N, 23.38'E) and 09.07.1942 anti-submarine vessel UJ1110 off Gammerfest (70.39'N, 23.38"E). Also, probably, transport "Rigel" (3828 brt) was damaged on mine from K-21 10.11.1941
Didn't also Tirpitz was claimed hit by K-21?
Here info from the other side http://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/5126.html
Here info from this Forum:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... t=#1041926
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &highlight

Regards, Juha

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Post by BIGpanzer » 01 Sep 2007 23:31

JT wrote:
Didn't also Tirpitz was claimed hit by K-21?
According to citations from captain Lunin's report - at 16:55 sonarman detected far unclear sounds, at 17:00 the deck-house of submarine was detected by watch officer via periscope and soon it became clear that was not submarine but the bridge of one of escort destroyers, at 17:15 Lunin detected battleship, heavy cruiser and 8 destroyers from ~30 cables [in reality those were battleship, 2 heavy cruisers, 7 destroyers and 2 torpedo boats], the attack was performed at 18:01 from 18-20 cables by 4 torpedos with time gaps 4 sec; in 135 sec soundman heard two explosions, at 18:31, 18:32 and 18:38 long explosions were detected which continued 20 sec each. The periscope was raised at 19:05 and there were no any ships on the horizon.

HQ officers supposed after analysis that all torpedos missed because of errors in determination of target course angle and speed, the same did historians later [speed of Tirpitz was 24 knots and Lunin calculated it as 22 knots, target course angle was 90 degrees and Lunin calculated it as 60 degrees]. If Lunin used time gaps in torpedo salvo not 4 sec but 14 sec he could hit the target with high possibility [probably, he didn't want to stay at periscope depth too long]. In principle, such torpedo fire [90 degrees of target course angle, distance 18-20 cables and speed 22-24 knots] was prohibited by Soviet naval manuals as useless and Lunin, probably, just wanted to use at least small chance.

The explosion heard at 18:04 was explosion from self-exploded torpedos after their maximal run, explosions between 18:31-18:38 were from depth charges of German destroyers which detected British submarine. Germans didn't detect K-21 and couldn't hear explosions from missed torpedos so they got info about attack against "Tirpitz" only after interception of radio message from the Soviet submarine.

Prof. Platonov doesn't mention in his excellent book that "Tirpitz" was among official claimed hits of K-21.
Even Dmitriev [Soviet-era historian] who described the "combat" between K-21 and Norwegian fishing motor boats as combat between K-21 and German anti-submarine vessels mentioned only that K-21 attacked very powerful German battleship "Tirpitz" using stern torpedo tubes and there are no words about any hits.

The fact that submarine attacked "Tirpitz" was very important itself that time [especially the radiomessage from K-21 which was intercepted by British convoy and Germans] - the visibility and sea state were very good so Lunin could raise periscope only for very short period of time [and that caused mistakes in the definition of distance and target course angle - as the result Lunin fired from stern tubes under very disadvantageous position], Lunin (as well as all other Soviet submarine commanders) had absolutely no experience in attack of large high-speed warship guarded by strong escort and performed anti-submarine manoeuvring [and he did that for the first and single time during the war among Soviet submarines], Lunin also didn't know the abilities of modern German anti-submarine weapons and he afraided for his submarine and crew too much.

Regards, BP

P.S. Article by Miroslav Morozov about attack against "Tirpitz"
http://www.navy.ru/history/events/tirpitz.htm?print=Y [highly recommended].

http://arcticwar.pomorsu.ru/sea/arcticw ... n.html#s10 [article by Luzin - K-21 against "Tirpitz": from new materials to new hypothesis; less informative but not bad - BP].

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 02 Sep 2007 18:56

Hi BP,
BP wrote:
JT wrote: Didn't also Tirpitz was claimed hit by K-21?
Prof. Platonov doesn't mention in his excellent book that "Tirpitz" was among official claimed hits of K-21.
Even Dmitriev [Soviet-era historian] who described the "combat" between K-21 and Norwegian fishing motor boats as combat between K-21 and German anti-submarine vessels mentioned only that K-21 attacked very powerful German battleship "Tirpitz" using stern torpedo tubes and there are no words about any hits. .
BP earlier wrote:The version that 1-2 torpedos still hit "Tirpitz" is not supported by many German and Russian naval historians.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &start=120

Who do support, and from what base?


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Post by BIGpanzer » 02 Sep 2007 22:40

Hi, Juha!
I saw quite many disputing mentions in historical literature that 1-2 torpedos from K-21 hit "Tirpitz" [and, mainly, the authors of corresponding articles didn't support that was happened in reality], I am not sure about the origin of the existed info about hits.
For example, as for Soviet official radio propaganda claim about that attack - I just need to find daily public report of Soviet news agency from 05.-10.07.1942 [all are published online day by day].

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 02 Sep 2007 22:51

Hi BP,
BIGpanzer wrote:For example, as for Soviet official radio propaganda claim about that attack - I just need to find daily public report of Soviet news agency from 05.07.1942 [all are published online day by day].
Were the official TASS reports untrue official propaganda ?
( and perhaps a source of the later torpedo hit claims? )

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Post by BIGpanzer » 02 Sep 2007 22:56

As me seems TASS [Soviet news agency] reports represented the main official news that time, Russian members correct me if not.

Yes, here is the origin. Evening radio public message [08.07.1942] from Soviet news agency - "In Barents Sea one of our submarines attacked newest German battleship "Tirpitz", hit it by two torpedos and heavily damaged the ship"
http://9may.ru/09.07.1942/inform/m3494

Official propaganda messages to population were differ from official army/navy messages to HQs, of course - I found a mention that attack against "Tirpitz" wasn't listed as successful [sunk or damaged] of K-21 that time. It will be very interesting to find original Lunin's report and report of commander of corresponding submarine division to HQ of North Navy.

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 02 Sep 2007 23:28

Thanks.

Found at this site http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=1284
A memorial of Nikolay Alexandrovich Lunin at Samara.
Can you read the text on it?
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Another link at the same site http://www.submarines.narod.ru/Substory/3_41_21.html casts a shadow over the sole modern torpedo hit claim of the K-21:
BP wrote:20.02.1943 - Is. Vogen. Fishing motorboats near berth. 4 torpedos from 12 cables, several motorboats were sunk.
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Post by BIGpanzer » 03 Sep 2007 00:21

Hi, Juha!
As for memorial plate [direct translation, plate contains several incorrectnesses in my opinion including his rank that time (he became rear-admiral in 1946) - BP] - "In this house lived in 1944-1945 Hero of Soviet Union rear-admiral Nikolai Alexandrovich Lunin, legendary commander of submarines Shch-421 and K-21 sank 18 enemy ships. Under the command of rear-admiral N.A. Lunin 5 July 1942 in Barents Sea submarine K-21 torpedoed flagship of German Navy battleship "Tirpitz".
Site http://www.warheroes.ru is not bad to find the basic info about famous [also forgotten and mainly unknown] Soviet persons of that time, but it contains only Soviet-era info as me seems and for sure it couldn't be considered in many cases as source of the correct historical info.
As the best example - http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=1067 [only glorification without any critics!!! :? ]

P.S. Lunin [1907-1970] has an interesting career - he was the captain of sailing training ship "Vega" [Black Sea] in 1928-1935, he graduated submarine school in 1937, he was the captain's mate of Shch-314 and captain of Shch-404, he was arrested by NKVD in 1938 [and rehabilitated in one year], the captain of Shch-421 since 04.1940 and K-21 since 03.1942, the commander of submarine division since the end 1943; after WWII - rear-admiral and commander of several submarine units [22nd brigade, for example], worked in central office of Navy, retired in 1962, returned back to civil fleet and became the captain of steamer "Selenga" in 1964.

As for http://www.submarines.narod.ru/Substory/3_41_21.html about K-21.
I know it very well, this is a mirror site [partially as there are no info about many submarines] of http://www.deepstorm.ru [the most detailed, regulary updated and best online source about Russian submarines based mainly on Morozov's info; casts a shadow over several addition Russian, German and Finnish claims also]. Here you can see the photos of captured Norwegian fishmen, as for the torpedo attack from 20.02.1943 against fishing boats - it is mentioned that 4 torpedos were fired from 12-13 cables against motoboats near berth, in 90 sec 3 explosions were detected and there are no foreign data about this. Platonov mentioned about this case that several motorboats were sunk [and captured Norwegian sailors from "Skrein", see above about shelling of fishing motorboats 12.04.1943 heard about that case and mentioned that 2 or 3 motorboats were lost because of unknown explosions there indeed].

I found the "Tirpitz" case in log-book of K-21 and report of Lunin.
Here they are [ from http://sovnavy-ww2.by.ru/articles/k21.htm ]
Âîñêðåñåíüå, 5 èþëÿ
...
16.05. Ïðîèçâåäåíî ñðî÷íîå ïîãðóæåíèå â öåëÿõ ñêðûòíîãî ïîäõîäà ê áåðåãó ïðîòèâíèêà. Çàäðàåí ëþê. Îòêðûòà âàõòà ØÏ. Íà÷àòà äèôôåðåíòîâêà.
16.22. Óäèôôåðåíòîâàíà ëîäêà. Ãëóáèíà 20 ì. Ïî êóðñîâîìó óãëó 30° ïðàâîãî áîðòà ñëûøåí íåÿñíûé øóì.
16.35. Øóì ïî ÊÓ 30° ï.á. óñèëèâàåòñÿ.
16.40. Âñïëûëè ïîä ïåðèñêîï, íè÷åãî íå îáíàðóæåíî.
16.56. Ïî ÊÓ 30° ï.á. øóì óñèëèâàåòñÿ.
17.00. Ëåãëè íà êóðñ 212° (íà øóìû). Ïîäíÿò ïåðèñêîï. Ïðÿìî ïî íîñó ñèëóýò ÏË ïðîòèâíèêà. Åå ÊÓ 3-4° ï.á. Äèñòàíöèÿ 40-50 êàá. Ïîãîäà â ìîìåíò îáíàðóæåíèÿ âèäèìîñòü õîðîøàÿ. Ñïëîøíàÿ îáëà÷íîñòü. Íà ôîíå áåðåãà ñâåòëûé ïðîñâåò íåáà. Âåòåð 3-4 áàëëà. Ìîðå 2 áàëëà.
17.00. Òîðïåäíàÿ àòàêà! Ïðèãîòîâèòü íîñîâûå è êîðìîâûå òîðïåäíûå àïïàðàòû ê âûñòðåëó.
17.02. Øóì óñèëèâàåòñÿ.
17.12, Ïåðèñêîïíàÿ ãëóáèíà. Ïî ÊÓ 110° ï.á. ñèëóýòû äâóõ ìèíîíîñöåâ Èõ ÊÓ 5-10° ï.á. Äèñòàíöèÿ äî ãîëîâíîãî 65 êàá. è äî âòîðîãî 70-75 êàá. Àòàêà ïî çàäíåìó ìèíîíîñöó. Çàêðûòü ïåðåäíèå êðûøêè ÒÀ ¹ 1 è ¹ 2 ñ óñòàíîâêîé ãëóáèíû 5 ì.
17.18. Ïåðèñêîïíàÿ ãëóáèíà. Ïî ÊÓ ï.á. âåðõóøêè ìà÷ò áîëüøèõ êîðàáëåé â îõðàíåíèè íåñêîëüêèõ ÌÌ, èäóùèõ ñòðîåì ôðîíòà íà ÏË. Äèñòàíöèÿ äî êîðàáëåé 100-120 êàá. Àòàêà íà áîëüøèå êîðàáëè!
17.23 Ïåðèñêîïíàÿ ãëóáèíà. Íà ÏË èäåò ýñêàäðà ïðîòèâíèêà â ñîñòàâå ËÊ «Òèðïèö», ËÊ «Øååð», â îõðàíåíèè 8 ÌÌ. Íàä êîðàáëÿìè áàððàæèðóåò ñàìîëåò òèïà «Àðàäî». ÌÌ õîäÿò íà çèãçàãå ïðîèçâîëüíûìè êóðñàìè. Àòàêà íà ËÊ «Òèðïèö»! Åãî ÊÓ 35-40° ë.á. Ïåëåíã 227°. Äèñòàíöèÿ 90-95 êàá.
17.25. Ëåãëè íà êóðñ àòàêè 137°.
17.29. ÊÓ ËÊ «Òèðïèö» 30°. Ãîëîâíîé ÌÌ, èäóùèé âïåðåäè îõðàíåíèÿ ËÊ «Øååð», èäåò íà ÏË.
17.34. Øóì ïðèáëèæàþùåãîñÿ ÌÌ óñèëèâàåòñÿ è îòõîäèò íà êîðìó
17.36. Ïåðèñêîïíàÿ ãëóáèíà. ËÊ «Òèðïèö» ïîâåðíóë âëåâî íà 90-100°. Ýñêàäðà èäåò ñòðîåì êèëüâàòåðà. Ãîëîâíîé ËÊ «Øååð». Äèñòàíöèÿ ìåæäó íèìè 20-25 êàá.
17.46. Ïåðèñêîïíàÿ ãëóáèíà. ËÊ «Òèðïèö» ïî ïåëåíãó 212°, äèñòàíöèÿ äî íåãî 40-45 êàá. Õîä 22 óç. ÊÓ = 50-55° ï.á. ÌÌ ñ ïðàâîãî áîðòà çèãçàãèðóþò â äèñòàíöèè 25-30 êàá. Íà îáîèõ ÌÌ âèäíû ôëàãè ñèãíàëîâ.
17.50. Ïåðèñêîïíàÿ ãëóáèíà. Ýñêàäðà ïîâåðíóëà «âñå âäðóã» âïðàâî. ÊÓ ËÊ «Òèðïèö» 57° ë.á. (Çäåñü Ëóíèí ëè÷íî êðàñíûì êàðàíäàøîì âíåñ ïîïðàâêó «5-7°» è çàâåðèë åå ñâîåé ïîäïèñüþ). ÌÌ ïî íîñó ÏË â ðàññòîÿíèè 10-12 êàá.
17.54. Ëåãëè íà áîåâîé êóðñ. Àêóñòèê äîêëàäûâàåò î øóìàõ ñî âñåõ íàïðàâëåíèé. Äîêëàäû èç îòñåêîâ î ðàáîòå âèíòîâ, ñëûøèìûõ ÷åðåç êîðïóñ ñî âñåõ íàïðàâëåíèé.
17.57. ËÊ «Òèðïèö» ïîäõîäèò ê óãëó óïðåæäåíèÿ. ÏË íàõîäèòñÿ â ñåðåäèíå îõðàíåíèÿ ýñêàäðû, ÌÌ âèäíû íà âñåõ íàïðàâëåíèÿõ. Ñ ëåâîãî áîðòà ËÊ «Òèðïèö» â äèñòàíöèè 4-6 êàá. íà åãî êîðìîâûõ è íîñîâûõ ÊÓ äâà ÌÌ. Ïî íîñó ÏË â ðàññòîÿíèè 10 - 15 êàá. ìèíîíîñåö.
18.01. «Àïïàðàòû...!»
18.01.30. «Ïëè!» Ø = 71° 22' 2'', Ä = 24° 34' 3''. Çàëï ïðîèçâåäåí ÷åòûðüìÿ êîðìîâûìè òîðïåäàìè ñ óñòàíîâêîé ãëóáèíû 2 ì ñ èíòåðâàëîì 4 ñåêóíäû. Äèñòàíöèÿ çàëïîâàÿ 18-20 êàá., óãîë óïðåæäåíèÿ = 28°, óãîë âñòðå÷è = 100°. Ñêîðîñòü öåëè Vö = 22 óç; ñêîðîñòü ÏË 3,5 óç.
18.02. Ãîëîâíîé ìèíîíîñåö ðåçêî âîðî÷àåò íà ÏË. Èç VII îòñåêà äîëîæèëè: «Òîðïåäû âûøëè èç àïïàðàòîâ». «Ïîãðóæàéñÿ íà ãëóáèíó 30ì».
18.4. Äîêëàäû èç îòñåêîâ ÷åðåç 2 ìèíóòû 15 ñåêóíä ïî ñåêóíäîìåðó ïîñëå âûõîäà òîðïåä: «Ñëûøàëè 2 âçðûâà». Àêóñòèê òàêæå äîëîæèë: «Ñëûøàë 2 âçðûâà».  ìîìåíò çàëïà ÏË íàõîäèëàñü ìåæäó äâóìÿ ËÊ, èäóùèìè ñòðîåì ôðîíòà â ðàññòîÿíèè äðóã îò äðóãà 25-30 êàá. ËÊ «Òèðïèö» êàìóôëèðîâàí øàðîâîé è êîðè÷íåâîé êðàñêàìè.
«Â ìîìåíò òîðïåäíîãî çàëïà ãîëîâíîé ìèíîíîñåö ðåçêî âîðî÷àåò íà ÏË, çàòåì êîíòðêóðñîì íàâñòðå÷ó ËÊ - ïîëàãàþ âîçìîæíûì ìàíåâð ìèíîíîñöà ñ öåëüþ ïåðåõâàòà òîðïåäû íà ñåáÿ è ãèáåëüþ, ÷òî ïîäòâåðæäàåòñÿ ïîñëåäóþùèìè òðåìÿ âçðûâàìè ïîÿñîâ ãëóáèííûõ áîìá. Êîìàíäèð ÏË Í. Ëóíèí.» (çàïèñàíî â âàõòåííûé æóðíàë êðàñíûì êàðàíäàøîì íà ñòð.36 ëè÷íî Ëóíèíûì).
18.04. Ñëåâà è ñïðàâà ðåçêî óñèëèëèñü øóìû ÌÌ. Ãëóáèíà 40 ì.
18.10. Ñëûøíû øóìû ÌÌ ñïðàâà, ñëåâà è ïðÿìî ïî íîñó.
18.31. Øóìû ïåðåøëè íà êîðìîâûå ÊÓ. Ëîäêà ïîäâñïëûëà ïîä ïåðèñêîï. Âèäíû äûìû è âåðõóøêè ìà÷ò óäàëÿþùèõñÿ êîðàáëåé ýñêàäðû íà íîðä-îñò.
18.31. Ïî êîðìå ñëûøåí ãëóõîé ðàñêàòèñòûé âçðûâ ïðîäîëæèòåëüíîñòüþ 20 ñ.
18.32. Âòîðîé ðàñêàòèñòûé âçðûâ.
18.38. Òðåòèé ðàñêàòèñòûé âçðûâ.
19.05. Âñïëûëè ïîä ïåðèñêîï. Íè÷åãî íå îáíàðóæåíî.
19.09. Âñïëûëè ïîä ñðåäíþþ. Ø = 71° 25', Ä = 24° 26'. Íà÷àëè ïåðåäà÷ó ðàäèîãðàììû îá àòàêå ËÊ «Òèðïèö». Øóìû ïðåêðàòèëèñü, ñîñòîÿíèå ïîãîäû ïðåæíåå.
19.27. Ðàäèîãðàììà ïåðåäàíà òðè ðàçà. Êâèòàíöèÿ ïîëó÷åíà.
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Îò÷åò êîìàíäèðà è êîìèññàðà ÏË "Ê-21":

5 èþëÿ, âèäÿ ó÷àùåíèå ïîëåòîâ ñàìîëåòîâ, íàáëþäàþùèõ çà ðàéîíîì, è áóäó÷è ïðåäóïðåæäåí ïî ðàäèî î âûõîäå â ìîðå íåìåöêîé ýñêàäðû, ïîëíîñòüþ çàðÿäèâøèñü, â 16.06 ïîãðóçèëñÿ, èìåÿ óñòàíîâêè íîñîâûõ òîðïåä 1-2-5-6 â 5 ì ãëóáèíû è 3-4 - â 2 ì; â êîðìå âñå 4 òîðïåäû èìåëè 2-ìåòðîâóþ óñòàíîâêó ãëóáèíû. Èçìåíèòü óñòàíîâêó ãëóáèíû êîðìîâûõ òîðïåä íå óäàëîñü ïî ïðè÷èíå òîãî, ÷òî ê íàäâîäíûì äîñòóïà íåò èçíóòðè ïðî÷íîãî êîðïóñà è îíè áûëè ïðèãîòîâëåíû â áàçå ê ñòðåëüáå ïî ìåëêîñèäÿùèì ñóäàì. Ïîäâîäíûé æå àïïàðàò ¹ 8 ïðèøëîñü äåðæàòü ñ çàêðûòûì çàïèðàþùèì êëàïàíîì âñëåäñòâèå áîëüøîé óòå÷êè âîçäóõà, êîòîðûé ïðèêàçàíî áûëî îòêðûâàòü ïî ñèãíàëó àòàêè. Òîðïåäó ¹ 7 äåðæàë ãîòîâîé ê âûñòðåëó íà ñëó÷àé âñòðå÷è ñ ïðîòèâíèêîì â íàäâîäíîì ïîëîæåíèè.  16.33 5 èþëÿ 1942 ãîäà àêóñòèê äîëîæèë âàõòåííîìó êîìàíäèðó î øóìàõ ñïðàâà ïî íîñó; ïîñëåäíèé ëåã íà øóì, íî â ïåðèñêîï íè÷åãî íå îáíàðóæèë è òîëüêî ñî âòîðûì åãî ïîäúåìîì óñìîòðåíà áûëà ïðÿìî ïî íîñó â äèñòàíöèè 40-50 êàá. ÏË ïðîòèâíèêà â íàäâîäíîì ïîëîæåíèè. Âçÿâ íà ñåáÿ óïðàâëåíèå, ñ ïîäúåìîì ïåðèñêîïà òàêæå óñòàíîâèë, ÷òî ýòî ÏË, è, ñîîáðàçóÿñü ñ îáñòàíîâêîé, íà÷àë ìàíåâðèðîâàòü äëÿ àòàêè.  17.12 óñòàíîâèë, ÷òî â ìîðå èäóò íà áîëüøîé ñêîðîñòè äâà ìèíîíîñöà; òî æå, ÷òî ïðèíèìàëîñü çà ÏË, îêàçàëîñü ìèíîíîñöåì, êîòîðîìó ðåôðàêöèÿ ïðèïîäíÿëà êîí÷èê òðóáû è ìîñòèê; ïðîäîëæàë àòàêó íà âòîðîé èäóùèé óñòóïîì ñçàäè ìèíîíîñåö.
 17.18 îáíàðóæèë âåðõóøêè ìà÷ò áîëüøèõ êîðàáëåé, èäóùèõ ñòðîåì ôðîíòà â ñîïðîâîæäåíèè ìèíîíîñöåâ. Ãîëîâíûå ìèíîíîñöû, âèäèìî îñâåùàÿ ðàéîí, ïîäïëûâ ê íàì íà äèñòàíöèþ 50-20 êàá., ïîâåðíóëè îáðàòíî è ïîøëè íà ñáëèæåíèå ñ ýñêàäðîé. Ëåã íà êóðñ àòàêè, èìåÿ öåëüþ ëåâûé îò ìåíÿ ìàòåëîò.
 17.23 îïîçíàë êîðàáëè ïðîòèâíèêà, èäóùèå â ñîñòàâå äâóõ ëèíêîðîâ - «Òèðïèö» è ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî «Øååð» - â îõðàíå 8 ìèíîíîñöåâ òèïà «Êàðë Ãàëñòåð», õîäÿùèõ íà ñëîæíûõ çèãçàãàõ.
Íàä ýñêàäðîé áàððàæèðîâàë ñàìîëåò òèïà «Àðàäî». Íà÷àë ìàíåâðèðîâàíèå äëÿ àòàêè íîñîâûìè ëèíêîðà «Òèðïèö».
 17.36 ýñêàäðà ïîâåðíóëà «âñå âäðóã» âëåâî íà 90-100°, âûñòðîèâøèñü â êèëüâàòåð ñ äèñòàíöèåé ìåæäó ëèíêîðàìè 20-30 êàá. ÏË îêàçàëàñü íà ðàñõîäÿùèõñÿ êîíòðêóðñàõ; ðàçâåðíóëñÿ âïðàâî íà íîñîâûå
 17.50 âñÿ ýñêàäðà îïÿòü ïîâåðíóëà «âñå âäðóã» è ëèíêîð «Òèðïèö» îêàçàëñÿ èäóùèì íà ëîäêó ñ åãî êóðñîâûì ëåâîãî áîðòà 5-7°. Îïàñàÿñü ñðûâà àòàêè, ðàçâåðíóëñÿ íà êîðìîâûå òîðïåäíûå àïïàðàòû è â 18.01 ïðîèçâåë ÷åòûðåõòîðïåäíûé çàëï ñ èíòåðâàëîì âûïóñêà òîðïåä 4 ñ, ïðè äèñòàíöèè çàëïà 20-17-18 êàá., óãîë óïðåæäåíèÿ - 28°, óãîë âñòðå÷è = 100°, ñ÷èòàÿ ñêîðîñòü ëèíêîðà â 22 óç è èìåÿ ñâîþ â 3,5 óç.
 ìîìåíò çàëïà íàõîäèëñÿ ïðèìåðíî â ñåðåäèíå ýñêàäðû, ëèíêîð «Øååð» ïðîøåë óæå óãîë óïðåæäåíèÿ è áûë ñ ìîåãî ïðàâîãî áîðòà, âíóòðè çèãçàãèðîâàëè 4 ìèíîíîñöà, ãîëîâíîé ìèíîíîñåö îõðàíû ëèíêîðà «Òèðïèö» ðåçêî âîðî÷àë âëåâî íà îáðàòíûé êóðñ è ÿ îïàñàëñÿ, ÷òî îí èäåò íà ÏË. Ñ âûïóñêîì ïåðâîé òîðïåäû îïóñòèë ïåðèñêîï è ñ âûõîäîì ïîñëåäíåé çàãíàë ëîäêó íà ãëóáèíó ñ ïðèåìîì âîäû â óðàâíèòåëüíóþ, êîðìîâóþ äèôôåðåíòíóþ è óâåëè÷èë õîä äî ïîëíîãî.
×åðåç 2 ìèíóòû 15 ñåêóíä ïî ñåêóíäîìåðó èç îòñåêîâ, à òàêæå àêóñòèêîì äîëîæåíî áûëî î âçðûâå äâóõ òîðïåä. Øóìû ìèíîíîñöåâ òî ïðèáëèæàëèñü, òî óäàëÿëèñü. Îæèäàåìûõ âçðûâîâ ãëóáèííûõ áîìá íå ïîñëåäîâàëî è òîëüêî â 18.31 ïî êîðìå, ïðè ïîñòåïåííî óìåíüøàþùèõñÿ øóìàõ, ïîñëûøàëñÿ ðàñêàòèñòûé âçðûâ ïðîäîëæèòåëüíîñòüþ äî 20 ñ, à çàòåì ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíî â 18.32 è â 18.38 íå ïîõîæèå íà âçðûâû îòäåëüíûõ ãëóáèííûõ áîìá.
 19.09 îñìîòðåë ãîðèçîíò è, âñïëûâ ïîä ñðåäíþþ, ïåðåäàë ðàäèî îá àòàêå è êóðñ îòõîäà ýñêàäðû.
Ñîñòîÿíèå ïîãîäû áëàãîïðèÿòñòâîâàëî àòàêå: ñïëîøíàÿ îáëà÷íîñòü ñ ÷èñòûì íåáîì íà ãîðèçîíòå, âèäèìîñòü ïîëíàÿ, çûáü ñ áàðàøêàìè 2-3 áàëëà, âåòåð 3-4 áàëëà. ËÊ «Òèðïèö» êàìóôëèðîâàí êîðè÷íåâîé è øàðîâîé êðàñêàìè.
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6. Ïîïàäàíèå äâóõ òîðïåä ïðè àòàêå ËÊ «Òèðïèö» ñ÷èòàþ äîñòîâåðíûì, ýòî äîëæíî áûòü ïîäòâåðæäåíî ðàçâåäêîé; â òî æå âðåìÿ äîïóñêàþ âîçìîæíîñòü, ÷òî ãîëîâíîé ìèíîíîñåö, ïîâåðíóâøèé â ìîìåíò âûñòðåëà íà êîíòðêóðñ ñ ËÊ, ïåðåõâàòèë òîðïåäû íà ñåáÿ; â ïîëüçó ýòîãî ïðåäïîëîæåíèÿ ñâèäåòåëüñòâóþò ïîñëåäóþùèå áîëüøèå âçðûâû.
7.  äîñòîâåðíîñòè íàçâàíèÿ âòîðîãî ËÊ íå óâåðåí, èáî îïîçíàâ òî÷íî ËÊ «Òèðïèö» è ñòàâÿ çàäà÷ó àòàêîâàòü åãî âî ÷òî áû òî íè ñòàëî, îñîáîãî âíèìàíèÿ îïîçíàíèþ âòîðîãî ËÊ íå óäåëÿë.
8. Íåïîíÿòíûì îñòàåòñÿ ïîâåäåíèå ñóäîâ îõðàíû, êîòîðûå íå ïðåñëåäîâàëè ëîäêó ïîñëå ÷åòûðåõòîðïåäíîãî çàëïà. Îñòàåòñÿ ïðåäïîëàãàòü, ÷òî èç-çà îïàñåíèé çàâåñû èç ëîäîê ìèíîíîñöû, íå ñóìåâøèå îáíàðóæèòü ëîäêó äî çàëïà, íå ïîëó÷èëè ðàçðåøåíèÿ îòõîäèòü îò ËÊ.
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ï/ï Êîìàíäèð ÏË «Ê-21» Ãåðîé Ñîâåòñêîãî Ñîþçà êàïèòàí 2 ðàíãà Í. Ëóíèí
ï/ï Âîåíêîì ÏË «Ê-21» ñò. ïîëèòðóê Ñ. Ëûñîâ
I translate the point 6 from the conclusions of captain 2nd rank Lunin [commander of K-21] and senior political instructor Lysov [commissar of K-21] - "I consider the hits of two torpedos during attack against "Tirpitz" as reliable. This should be confirmed by intelligence service. Nevertheless, I assume the possibility that leading torpedo boat could "caught" torpedos as torpedo boat turned on counter course with battleship during salvo. Following large explosions support this assumption".

Regards, BP

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Re: Submarine K-21

Post by TISO » 04 Mar 2012 19:42

I have a modelling problem regarding colours of K-21 mid war time period ans S-13 late war.
I recently got a 1/350 scale series XIV submarine (K-21) from company MikroMir, but i would like more precise painting information.
Instruction says that for K-21 mid and late war and K-3 in 1941 painting is the same i.e. gray (shade not specified) above waterline and bright green under water which is how it is now painted as monument which is IMHO too light judging by wartime pic's.

Wiki side profile is light gray above and red under waterline.

On old Politehnika LTD instructions for 1/400 series I boat (type "D") a standard schemes for submarines of all fleets are printed . For northern fleet painting is stated as:
black or dark green hull above and under waterline and black decks.

I have a same problem with 1/350 S-13 submarine in early 1945 of company AMP (MikroMir with Eduard PE set)

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