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Re: The Mindless Denial of Smith

Post by Charles Bunch » 01 Jan 2003 07:06

Scott Smith wrote:
Charles Bunch wrote:
Scott Smith wrote:
Charles Bunch wrote:As the thread clearly shows, you are a denier of the Holocaust.
Yawn. A True Believer and epistemological zealot has spoken.
No, your own words have condemned you.

You deny intentionality, and the gas chambers.

You deny the Holocaust.
Whatever floats your boat, Chuckoo.


Why would your denial of what is historical fact float my boat?

What it does is expose you for what you are.

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Monsters to Destroy...

Post by Scott Smith » 01 Jan 2003 07:56

Charles Bunch wrote:Why would your denial of what is historical fact float my boat?
Because you want/need to Believe and don't appreciate people saying that the emperor has no clothes. This reveals a certain emotional immaturity and intellectual intolerance. Of course, I don't expect you to see that in the mirror, Chuck. You will have to reach deeper than your elitist education.

Now, Happy New Year.
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Re: The Papal and the Postal Bull

Post by Marcus » 01 Jan 2003 13:31

Roberto wrote:
Erik wrote:The man Hannover is invited “over here”, by Roberto.

But denial is forbidden “over here”.
I wouldn't take that so seriously, phil.
You should, because I do take it seriously.

And please don't register accounts in other peoples names without their knowledge, if anyone wants to register here, they are no doubt capable of doing that one their own or at the very least with some assistance.

/Marcus

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Post by Erik » 01 Jan 2003 16:34

Mr Wendel wrote:
Roberto wrote:
Erik wrote:
The man Hannover is invited “over here”, by Roberto.

But denial is forbidden “over here”.



I wouldn't take that so seriously, phil.



You should, because I do take it seriously.


But Roberto also wrote:
Even a true believer like yourself is allowed to shoot his crap around here.

So why not poor Hannover as well?

What I have more doubts about than Hannover's account being validated is his daring to open his mouth on this forum.


Since Mr Wendel allows the poor philosopher “to shoot his crap” around here in spite of the Bull of Excommunication against “true believers”, “so why not poor Hannover as well”?

Perhaps Roberto desires a “round-up” of the illegal “crap-shooting” around here? With Hannover as a pretext?

Hannover obviously cannot “open his mouth on this Forum” in the same manner as Roberto, if the Bull of Excommunication checks his freedom to “bawl the bull” à la Roberto. He will be as disadvantaged by the “bull rules” as a Colombian guerilla warrior in a “hearing” in a cellar of the police station at Bogota.

But maybe he can get the rest of us to “get out” around here?

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Post by Marcus » 01 Jan 2003 16:39

Erik wrote:Since Mr Wendel allows the poor philosopher “to shoot his crap” around here in spite of the Bull of Excommunication against “true believers”, “so why not poor Hannover as well”?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone has said that Hannover should not be allowed to join? If he joins he will of course have to follow the same rules as everyone else (and considering what I have read from him, that would probably be hard for him to accept) but I have not said that he should not be allowed to join.
Erik wrote:Perhaps Roberto desires a “round-up” of the illegal “crap-shooting” around here? With Hannover as a pretext?
Considering that Roberto does not want holocaust denial to be disallowed here and has complained when I've banned people for it, I strongly doubt that.

/Marcus

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Re: Denial is Lies

Post by Charles Bunch » 01 Jan 2003 17:30

Scott Smith wrote:
Charles Bunch wrote:Why would your denial of what is historical fact float my boat?
Because you want/need to Believe and don't appreciate people saying that the emperor has no clothes.


No, you want to disbelieve and deny masses of evidence to do so.

In this very thread I forced you into denying intentionality, at the core of the definition of the Holocaust, and gas chambers.

You've been revealed as a denier.
This reveals a certain emotional immaturity and intellectual intolerance.


Exposing your lies about history is neither of those things.

But as we discuss issue after issue about this event, and you deny one piece of evidence after another, and raise one standard denier canard after the other, such as the no smoke from crematoria nonsense, the picture of who and what you are becomes clear for all to see.

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Re: Lenial is Dies

Post by Scott Smith » 01 Jan 2003 23:45

Charles Bunch wrote:
Scott wrote:This reveals a certain emotional immaturity and intellectual intolerance.
Exposing your lies about history is neither of those things.
I've enjoyed exposing the irrational nature of your belief-system, Chuck, and the histories derived thereby.
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Re: Denial is Lies

Post by Charles Bunch » 02 Jan 2003 00:22

Scott Smith wrote:
Charles Bunch wrote:
Scott wrote:This reveals a certain emotional immaturity and intellectual intolerance.
Exposing your lies about history is neither of those things.
I've enjoyed exposing the irrational nature of your belief-system, Chuck, and the histories derived thereby.
You've exposed nothing but your ignorance and dishonesty!

Ran from the "no smoke" lie pretty fast, eh Mr. Scientist!!

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Re: The Papal and the Postal Bull

Post by Roberto » 02 Jan 2003 10:32

Marcus Wendel wrote:
Roberto wrote:
Erik wrote:The man Hannover is invited “over here”, by Roberto.

But denial is forbidden “over here”.
I wouldn't take that so seriously, phil.
You should, because I do take it seriously.

And please don't register accounts in other peoples names without their knowledge, if anyone wants to register here, they are no doubt capable of doing that one their own or at the very least with some assistance.

/Marcus
Sorry about that, Marcus. I won't do it again.

I didn't register the gentleman without his knowledge, however. He was duly informed. Whether he wants to take advantage of the opportunity is up to him, of course.

Cheers,

Roberto

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Post by Hans-Uhlrich Rudel » 02 Jan 2003 10:40

Charles Bunch

I wonder, are you unemployed or retired? You seem to have plenty of time to devote to this site at any rate.

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Post by Roberto » 02 Jan 2003 10:47

Erik wrote:Hannover obviously cannot “open his mouth on this Forum” in the same manner as Roberto, if the Bull of Excommunication checks his freedom to “bawl the bull” à la Roberto.
What "bull", philosopher?

Care to give us an example, one that people understand and are convinced by?
Erik wrote:He will be as disadvantaged by the “bull rules” as a Colombian guerilla warrior in a “hearing” in a cellar of the police station at Bogota.
Why, I haven't seen either yourself or Scott Smith or Michael Mills or any other of this forum's "Revisionists" being disadvantaged by the guidelines.

But then, whining about "persecution" is one of the key ingredients of "Revisionist" rhetoric, isn't it?

Which is all the more hilarious if you consider the way the self-proclaimed advocates of free speech censor their opponents' contributions on account of nothing other than their material contents, whenever these become too inconvenient. Have a look at a long list of examples:

Open debate?
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... =240.topic

Open debate? (continuation)
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... =205.topic

More "open debate" ...
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... =211.topic

And I thought they had learned something ...
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... =174.topic

Let's see if at least the Codoh forum's successor, the "Air Photo" forum, has learned something.

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Post by Roberto » 02 Jan 2003 10:50

Hans-Uhlrich Rudel wrote:Charles Bunch

I wonder, are you unemployed or retired? You seem to have plenty of time to devote to this site at any rate.
Maybe he just has that amazing ability to walk and chew gum at the same time.

Ever thought about that possibility?

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Post by witness » 02 Jan 2003 10:52

Hans-Uhlrich Rudel wrote:Charles Bunch

I wonder, are you unemployed or retired? You seem to have plenty of time to devote to this site at any rate.
Something to do with the topic of discussion 8O ?

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Post by Roberto » 02 Jan 2003 14:04

Hannover wrote:[…]For a revealing and rare attempt by Believers to debate this issue, see this link for a discussion, which includes a man named 'Cortagravatas' (who posts as 'Roberto' at the Third Reich Forum and is known for his desperate tirades) and others. - read and learn. Follow the thread here:

http://www.codoh.org/dcforum/DCForumID7/404.html

- Hannover
Source of quote:

http://air-photo.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9761b71989

Now ain’t that nice.

Two days after I registered on “Air Photo”, my account is not yet activated, which of course keeps me from slapping nonsense like the above around Hannover’s ears on his own forum.

Neither has the fellow plucked up the courage to come over to this forum and try to sell his articles of faith over here, even though I invited him several times and opened an account for him, and even though our moderator has expressly stated that there is no objection to his posting on this forum.

And yet the poor clown, no doubt aware of my repeated invitations and accordingly nervous, insists in including my name into his imbecile tirades, obviously in the hope that his fellow posters do not know about the circumstances described above.

In order to make sure that they do, would any of our fellow posters with an active account on “Air Photo” please post a link to this thread there, so that those true believers who haven’t yet awoken to their host’s deplorable personality will do so?

For the fellow is obviously not only a Hitler-kissing and Jew-hating true believer and an inveterate liar, but also devoid of what is commonly referred to as “balls”.
Hannover wrote:If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.
No, then it happened in another way than “alleged”, oh true believer. Try to think a bit, if you can.

By the way, Hannover forgot to mention those of my posts on the Codoh thread he linked to that, for obvious reasons, were retained by the moderator. These can be read on the thread

Open debate?
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... =240.topic

of the old forum.
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Post by Thorwald » 02 Jan 2003 14:52

Roberto wrote:
Hannover wrote:[…]For a revealing and rare attempt by Believers to debate this issue, see this link for a discussion, which includes a man named 'Cortagravatas' (who posts as 'Roberto' at the Third Reich Forum and is known for his desperate tirades) and others. - read and learn. Follow the thread here:

http://www.codoh.org/dcforum/DCForumID7/404.html

- Hannover
Source of quote:

http://air-photo.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9761b71989

Now ain’t that nice.

Two days after I registered on “Air Photo”, my account is not yet activated, which of course keeps me from slapping nonsense like the above around Hannover’s ears on his own forum.

Neither has the fellow plucked up the courage to come over to this forum and try to sell his articles of faith over here, even though I invited him several times and opened an account for him, and even though our moderator has expressly stated that there is no objection to his posting on this forum.

And yet the poor clown, no doubt aware of my repeated invitations and accordingly nervous, insists in including my name into his imbecile tirades, obviously in the hope that his fellow posters do not know about the circumstances described above.

In order to make sure that they do, would any of our fellow posters with an active account on “Air Photo” please post a link to this thread there, so that those true believers who haven’t yet awoken to their host’s deplorable personality will do so?

For the fellow is obviously not only a Hitler-kissing and Jew-hating true believer and an inveterate liar, but also devoid of what is commonly referred to as “balls”.
Hannover wrote:If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.
No, then it happened in another way than “alleged”, oh true believer. Try to think a bit, if you can.

By the way, Hannover forgot to mention those on my posts on the Codoh thread he linked to that, for obvious reasons, were retained by the moderator. These can be read on the thread

Open debate?
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... =240.topic

of the old forum.

Drop your unfriendly attitude, something you haven't learned until yet. Your permanent insults are getting annoying.

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