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Original SS Group Photo with 20 Signatures

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Post by Raider1 » 25 Nov 2007, 10:07

Where to begin with this?? I had an uncle who served as a Luftwaffe pilot (am posting his documents in the Luftwaffe section of the forum). My mother finally gave me a footlocker and a storage bin that were both literally full of Third Reich items. However, I thought this signed group SS photo was interesting. Does anyone know who any of these men are? Does anyone recognize any of the signed names on the back? I can't make any of them out!!! And finally... for "bonus points"... anyone know who the fellow is standing by the car in the other photo??
I'd appreciate your input. Thanks in advance! - sorry - need more experience with uploading photos!
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Post by Balsi » 25 Nov 2007, 10:27

Werner Busch-Peterse, geb.: 11. 9.22 in Padern/Ostpreußen; gest. am 04.01.2000;
SSNr.: 475 382
März 1944 - SS-Junkerschule Braunschweig
Noevember 1944 - SS-Werfer-Ausbildungs- und Ersatz-Abteilung

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Post by Raider1 » 25 Nov 2007, 10:30

Thank you Balsi. Can you identify Werner Busch in the photo?

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Post by Georg_S » 25 Nov 2007, 10:51

Hello Raider,

This is a photo from when this SS-Junkers went through there Officerstraining and to identyfy each of the men is almost
impossible if it doesn´t happens that you have a induvidual photo of the man or knew him personally. (Unfortunately)
Among this men you also have SS-Ustuf Wolgang Jacobsen DOB 31.7.1921 KIA 11.7.44 attached to SS-Pz.Gr.Rgt.3 2.SS-Pz.Div. "Das Reich"

best reg

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Post by Ruslan M » 25 Nov 2007, 11:04

Man with DKiG near auto looks like Manfred Schoenfelder.

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Post by Raider1 » 25 Nov 2007, 14:53

Georg and Ruslan - thank you for the information. Who exactly is Manfred Schoenfelder? Anyone of interest? I understand it could be impossible to identify all the men in the photo. I was just wondering if anyone of mild importance appeared here. Thanks again!

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Post by lohengrin » 25 Nov 2007, 18:39

If I am not wrong, one of the names on the photo reads Waldemar von Puttkamer. As far as I know, the Puttkamers are pretty important Prussian noble family. Among its members were for examle the wife of Otto von Bismarck and the NASA rocket engineer Jesco von Puttkamer. Also, if I am not mistaken there was von Puttkamer, a German Navy officer that was injured (or killed?) during the July 20th. 1944 plot to kill Hitler...

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Post by Raider1 » 25 Nov 2007, 20:38

Thank you Clara. That's a very astute observation on the name. I'd be curious to know if the man who signed the photo was related to the family you mentioned. Thank you.

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Post by coburg22 » 25 Nov 2007, 23:32

Raider 1,

Manfred Schoenfelder was a SS-Obersturmbannfuhrer and Ia (CofS) to the 5. SS-Panzer Division "Wiking". He was also a recipient of the Knight's Cross, German Cross in Gold, 1939 EK I II. It looks like he is wearing the collar insignia of a SS-Sturmbannfuhrer.

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Post by Raider1 » 26 Nov 2007, 00:15

Coburg22,

Thank you for the info about Schoenfelder. I was pretty certain the collar insignia appeared to be that of a Major. 5th SS Wiking is very helpful and enlightening IF in fact the man in the above photo is Schoenfelder. Stated again, this photo was found in a heap of items recently given to me by my mother. I had a relative who served in the Luftwaffe and the only stories I recall about him is that he risked life and limb to fly wounded SS and Wehrmacht soldiers out of Baraviki, Grozny and a place called Aleksandrovka. Not sure if I spelled the names of those places correctly but there was mention somewhere along the years about a 5th SS officer that did some kind of a favor for my uncle. I must have heard the story 20 years ago and don't recall the details but mom is a phone call away. And forgive me for this (I'm a novice here) but didn't the 5th SS have a different collar tab? I'll see if I can get clarity on the story from my mother. I can't commit to any of the details right now and it's a mystery to why these SS photos were among my uncle's items.

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Post by coburg22 » 26 Nov 2007, 02:43

Raider1,

The standard insignia for the Wiking Division was the SS collar insignia, however, foreign volunteers within the Division may have worn different insignia where as German Personnel such as Schoenfelder would have worn the SS runes. There are German Personnel who filled NCO and Officer roles within Foreign Legions of the Waffe-SS that would wear that unit's insignia but at the same time would wear the SS runes patch on the lower left breast pocket to show membership in the SS.

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Post by Max Williams » 26 Nov 2007, 10:20

The man 4th from left, front, looks remarkably similar to Karl-Jesko von Puttkamer, Hitler's Naval adjutant, who was injured in the attempted assassination of Hitler on 20th July 1944. It's quite possible he is your Waldemar von Puttkamer.
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Post by Raider1 » 26 Nov 2007, 19:16

Coburg22 - thanks for the clarity on the unit collar tabs.

Max - I truly appreciate all the input. Does anyone know who the man in the middle of the first row is? He's wearing the riding pants different from all others. Thanks.

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Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 22 Oct 2012, 14:10

Waldemar von Puttkammer
Born: 21.06.1919
DBB (= Driver's Badge in Bronze) : 18.10.43
SS-Uscha. in 9./SS-PGR. 2
SS-Rottenführer LSSAH 00.02.1941

SS-Nr.: 365.904
SS-Uscha.:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &start=105
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Re: Original SS Group Photo with 20 Signatures

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Post by Ignacio » 28 Oct 2012, 20:56

I guess the Group Photo is from the 10.Kriegs-Junker-Lehrgang Braunschweig that lasted from 21.6.43 to 18.12.43. In the picture the candidates has already been promoted to Standartenjunker on 20.9.43.

The signatures I could identify are

Walter Dreissigacker - Unknown
Werner Reichel - Fritz Biecker
Otto Baumann - Unknown
Waldemar von Puttkamer - W. Jacobsen
Karl Böck - Herbert Bäumer
Werner Busch-Petersen - Unknown
Unknown - Unknown
Georg Lohausen
Unknown
Unknown
Alfred Scheiber
Josef Berndorfer
Otto Landwehr

Obviously not all the cadets in the picture finally succeeded and were promoted to Untersturmführer on 1.03.1944.

Regards from Madrid

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