The originals are probably in the "venäläiset asiakirjat" collection at the Finnish National Archive. I do not know Russian so it is quite impossible to me to find the diaries among the other material. Maybe we should organize an expedition to the Archive in near future?Bair wrote:Would be great to see original Russian text, as Finnish translations are often incomplete.
The preserved diaries of Soviet soldiers
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I'm planning going to the Archive next week. Any ideas how a person like me who does not read Russian can spot out these diaries? Did Russians use arabic/roman numbers in the 1930-40s?
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If will see unfamiliar letters are they!!!Martti Kujansuu wrote:Any ideas how a person like me who does not read Russian can spot out these diaries?
Basically - Arabian. Roman - it is very very rare.Martti Kujansuu wrote:Did Russians use arabic/roman numbers in the 1930-40s?
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By the way, somewhere here were interested in the seized documentation of 44-th division.
Documents and code tables 25 RR have been burnt by the chief of a staff a regiment. Documents 312 tank battalions are destroyed. Documents 146 RR to destroy had not time and have stopped at deviation. Among them the personal diary of the regiment's military commisar Moroz was. The banner 146 RR has burned down in the tank during attack on January, 4.
122 artillery shelfs and other parts of a division - I do not know. Documents of a divisional level were in a staff of a division outside of an environment.
Documents and code tables 25 RR have been burnt by the chief of a staff a regiment. Documents 312 tank battalions are destroyed. Documents 146 RR to destroy had not time and have stopped at deviation. Among them the personal diary of the regiment's military commisar Moroz was. The banner 146 RR has burned down in the tank during attack on January, 4.
122 artillery shelfs and other parts of a division - I do not know. Documents of a divisional level were in a staff of a division outside of an environment.
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Finnish National Archive have some documents conserning the 44th Division:Slon-76 wrote:By the way, somewhere here were interested in the seized documentation of 44-th division.
Perus 4389: "305th, 25th, 146th and 130th Infantry Regiments. Operational and position related documents, orders, plans, name lists, training programs and other documents".
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Excerpts from a diary found at Lemetti in 1940. Writer is one "Grizenko". Original should be at the National Archive.
http://www.salmi-orusjarvi.net/LEMETTI.htm
http://www.salmi-orusjarvi.net/LEMETTI.htm
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Diary of a Russian officer, found at Salla in December 1939. The last entry is on December 18th (or 13th?) 1939. Transcription and a translation if you may. The forum clips the right edge of the photos so open them in a different window. From Finnish National Archive, PK 828/1.
First photo contains the first page of the diary. The remaining photographs contain all entries from the beginning of the Winter War to the last page.
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1113 ... ndiary.jpg
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First photo contains the first page of the diary. The remaining photographs contain all entries from the beginning of the Winter War to the last page.
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1113 ... ndiary.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4236 ... ndiary.jpg
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3226 ... ndiary.jpg
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/204/ ... ndiary.jpg
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Here's another; this may be or may not be a diary. There's no written information where the diary was found but it starts from November 28th 1939 and ends February 7th 1940. PK 828/1.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1460/img4174h.jpg
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http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/481/img4175o.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/550/img4176n.jpg
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One starting on June 22nd 1941 and ending on July 23rd 1941. SARK 1885/16.
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4089/1 ... stpage.jpg
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4089/1 ... stpage.jpg
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2 Oleg,
the banner of the 146th Rifle Regiment was not burnt in a tank, it was captured by the Finns and is now on display in Winter War exhibition in Helsinki.
the banner of the 146th Rifle Regiment was not burnt in a tank, it was captured by the Finns and is now on display in Winter War exhibition in Helsinki.
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Martti, interesting diaries, but a lot of translation work...
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unfortunately, the captured documents of th 44th Rifles are not available now as they are being microfilmed...
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... at the Finnish National Archive, I take you mean? By the way, according to this list part of the Ratsuväkiprikaati's archives are still at Viipuri after being captured by advancing Soviet tank troops in June 1944.Bair wrote:unfortunately, the captured documents of th 44th Rifles are not available now as they are being microfilmed...
http://www.joensuu.fi/historia/oblast/
P.s. How is the translation going?
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Hi!Martti Kujansuu wrote:Here's another; this may be or may not be a diary. There's no written information where the diary was found but it starts from November 28th 1939 and ends February 7th 1940. PK 828/1.
It is a diary of the navigator or gunner from 3 squadrons 5 OSAP/5 SBAP, it is probable from the crew which has been shot down on February, 21 above Rovaniemi.
The original text:
1/12/39
Сегодня мы получили задание на разведку (2 самолета). Попробовал свои пулеметы. Но вылет отменили.
В 2 часа состоялся митинг по поводу памяти С.М. Кирова. Вечером в 5.00 помогал своему командиру экипажа в перебазировке в квартиру.
2/12/39
Время провел в аэродроме. Получили задание на вылет, но не вылетели.
3/12/39
То же самое.
4/12/39
То же самое. Сегодня 6 экипажа получили задание перелетать в Африканду. Ночью выгрузили некоторое имущество и часть людей поехало туда.
5/12/39
Сегодня получили задание разбомбить финнов в Архангельском направлении, но там погода очень плохая, поэтому не вылетели 6 экипажей. Из 4 эскадрильи летало 6 машин. [далее не разборчиво] Все вернулись благополучно. В 2 часа митинг по сталинской конституции.
Translation (as has managed):
1/12/39
Today we have received the task for recon (2 planes). Has tried the machine guns. But a start have cancelled.
At 2 o'clock meeting concerning S.М. Kirov’s memory has taken place. In the evening at 5.00 helped the commander of crew in relocation in an apartment.
2/12/39
Time has lead in air station. Have received the task for a start, but have not taken off.
3/12/39
The same.
4/12/39
The same. Today 6 crews have received the task to fly in Africanda. Have unloaded some property and a part of people at night has gone there.
5/12/39
Today have received the task to destroy by bombing Finns in Arkhangelsk a direction, but there weather very bad, 6 crews therefore have not taken off. From 4 squadrons 6 machines flied. [further is not legible] All have returned safely. At 2 o'clock meeting under the Stalin constitution.
(5/12/39 six SB 4./5 OSAP and 3 I-15bis flied to bomb the Finnish positions in area Petsamontunturi. Fire from the ground had been brought down one I-15)
Continuation will be?
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First I would like to thank you for the translation. I have posted this diary in whole to a Finnish forum.Slon-76 wrote: Continuation will be?
http://www.flightforum.fi/forum/index.p ... 054.0.html