SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

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SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by Giorgio » 23 Jun 2008 18:11

Dear friends,
I run into many problems when I try to draw the list of the Commanders of SS-Kavallerie Regiment 3/SS-Kavallerie-Division.

This unit was ordered on 24 June 1942-21 October 1943 and renumbered 17 on 22 October 1943.

In December 1943, SS-Kavallerie Regiment 17 from the 8. SS-Kavallerie-Division "Florian Geyer" was ordered to become the cadre for a new SS cavalry division. On 29 April 1944, the SS-Führungshauptamt (SS-FHA) authorized the division to be raised, and SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 17 was pulled out of the line and sent in Hungary to rest, refit and to begin forming the new division (22. SS-Kavallerie-Division).

That’s my regimental commanders list:
SS-Sturmbannführer Albert Fassbender: 24 June-21 August 1942.
SS-Sturmbannführer Hans-Viktor von Zastrow: 21 August-KIA 10 December 1942.
SS-Hauptsturmführer Walter Bornscheuer (posted as interim commander of the Regiment 3 as von Zastrow’s successor): 10 December 1942-01 January 1943.
Temporary commander SS-Obersturmbannführer Eugen Corrodi von Elfenau: 24 December 1942-30 March or 01 April 1943
SS-Hauptsturmführer Adolf Schwarzmeier: temporary commander from 04 February to 10 April 1943 (overlapping Corrodi ?)
SS-Obersturmbannführer August Zehender: 30 March or 01 April 1943-20 February 1944 (overlapping Schwarzmeier ?)
SS-Sturmbannführer Joseph (Sepp) Syr: 01 May 1943 to January 1944, (overlapping Zehender ?)
And so on :
SS-Sturmbannführer Hans-Georg von Charpentier: 10 December 1943-KIA 12 February 1945.
SS-Sturmbannführer Kurt Kummer: October 1943.
SS-Sturmbannführer Walter Bornscheuer (temporary Commander): 21-29 April 1944.

Surely I’ve messed up COs, units and dates of assignments, just because I cannot distinguish the COs of the SS-Regiment 17 while attached to SS-Kavallerie-Division.

Hopefully somebody can clear them out.
Thanks in advance,
Giorgio

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Re: SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by RolandP » 24 Jun 2008 21:52

Dear Giorgio,
I have a kind of different command rooster in my files, but nothing to swear on ..... mayby it´s interesting for you

SS-Reiter-Regiment 3
Ab 21.6.42 SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3
15.4.43 Ausscheiden des SS-RR 3 aus dem Verband der SS-Kav.Div. und Verlegung auf den SS-TrÜbPl Heidelager
Ab 22.10.43 SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 17
16.1.44 Befehl zum Einsatz bei Kowel (mit der 3. Div.-Fahrkolonne?, SS-Ostuf. Schmidt, verw., SS-Ostuf. Schaffner, verw.)
April 1944 Herauslösung aus der Front; Hstuf.Preuss, Ostuf..Willi Geyer, Ostuf.Haberstroh, Ustuf.Huober, RgtsVet.Hstuf.Schiefer
1.5.44 Neuaufstellung einer SS-Freiw.Kav.Div. (sp. 22. SS-KD,Aufstellungsbefehl v. 29.04.44 aus SS-KR 17 und Volksdeutschen ungarischer Nationalität) aus dem Stamm des SS-KR 17 (15 ?, sp. SS-KR 54?)

SS-Stubaf. Hans Viktor von Zastrow 00.06.42 – 00.12.42 gef.
SS-Stubaf. Sepp Syr 00.12.42 – 04.02.43 verw.
SS-Hstuf. Schwarzmaier i.V. 04.02.43 – 15.04.43
SS-Stubaf. Sepp Syr 15.04.43 – (4.43/1.44)
SS-Stubaf. Kurt Kummer (00.10.43) – 00.00.43
(* 11.11.1900 Kölleda/Thür., SS-Nr. 24 883, 7.39 Hstuf.u. Chef,5./Sta.”Germania”, 5.40 Stubaf.u. Kdr.II./T.I.R.2, 4.41 Kdr.II./Pz.GR.10, 3.42 Stubaf.u. Kdr. Inf.Rgt.10, 8.42 Stubaf.u. Kdr.III./Inf.Rgt. 10, 10.43 Stubaf.u. Kdr.Kav.Rgt. 17. anschl.degradiert und vermutlich 12.43 bei 1.SS-Pz.Div., ‡ 9.12.43 bei Snamowka, Moore neu)
SS-Ostubaf. August Zehender (22.10.43) – 01.02.44 verw.
SS-Stubaf. Janssen 01.02.44 – 08.03.44 gef.
SS-Hstuf. Egon Birkitt/Birkigt i.V. 08.03.44 – 00.00.44 verw.
SS-Hstuf. Miedemann i.V. 00.04.44
SS-Hstuf. Anton Vandieken i.V. 00.03.44 – 00.03.44 verw.
SS-Hstuf. Keitel i.V. 00.03.44 – 00.03.44

Adjutant:
SS-Ostuf. Maas 00.00.00 – 01.02.44 verw.
SS-Ustuf. Haas 01.02.44 – 00.00.44 gef.
SS-Ostuf. Werner Dallmann 00.00.44 – 00.00.45
(* 7.4.24 Wangerin,Krs.Regenwalde/Pommern,RK 17.2.45 als Ustuf. u. Rgts.adjut. SS-KR 17 (lt.Krätshmer 53), 2.45 in Budapest seinen Verwundungen erlegen)

O1:
SS-Ustuf. Möller 00.00.44 –00.00.00

NO:
SS-Ustuf.Fritz Haberstroh 00.00.42 – 00.00.44

IVa:
SS-Ustuf. Ulrich 00.00.00 – 00.00.44
(zugleich VerwFhr Kgr Gille,Kowel)

Regimentsveterinär:
SS-Hstuf. Schiefer 00.00.00 – (29.04.44)

VetOffz: SS-StJu.König 00.00.44 – 00.00.00

PiZug: SS-Ustuf. Linkert 00.00.00 – 00.00.44 verw.

Techn.Fhr.: SS-Ustuf. Tiedemann 00.00.00 – 00.00.44 gef.
SS-StJu. Hesse 00.00.44 – 00.00.44 gef.

Hilfsarzt: SS-Ustuf. Hellauer 00.00.00 – 00.0044 verw.

Stabsschwadron:
SS-Hstuf. Preuss 00.00.00 – 00.00.44 gef.
SS-Ustuf. Fritz Haberstroh 00.00.44 – 05.01.45 verw.
(Ustuf. 21.6.42, Ostuf. 21.6.44,DKiG 1.45, Silberne Nahkampfspange 1.45, EK II 12,42,EK I 10.43)

1.Schwadron:
SS-Hstuf. Willi Geyer 00.00.00 – 00.00.44
Zugführer: SS-Ustuf.Krekel 00.00.00 – 00.00.44 verw.

2.Schwadron:
SS-Ostuf. Held 00.00.00 – 00.00.44 gef.
Zugführer: SS-Ustuf. Fassler 00.00.00 – 00.00.44 gef.
SS-Ustuf. Huober 00.00.00 – 00.00.44 verw.

3.Schwadron:
SS-Ostuf. Willi Schwarz 00.00.00 – 00.03.44 gef.
SS-Ostuf. Fedder 00.03.44 – 00.00.44 verw.
Zugführer: SS-Ustuf.Günther Dörner 00.00.00 – 00.00.44 verw.

4.Schwadron:
SS-Hstuf. Schwarzmaier 00.05.42 – 00.00.00
(Chef 4.SS-RR 3)
SS-Ostuf. Koppenwallner 00.00.00 – 00.00.44
SS-Oscha. Paul Reissmann stellvertr.Fhr. 00.00.44 – 00.11.44
(* 17.1.20 Zwickau/Sachsen, RK 16.11.44 als Oscha,.u. stellvertr.Fhr 4./SS-KR 17, + 8.11.44 in Ungarn an seinen Verwundungen)

Zugführer: SS-Ustuf. Korn 00.00.00 – 00.00.44
SS-Oscha FA Huber 00.00.00 – 00.00.44 verw.

5.Schwadron:
SS-Hstuf. Hansen 00.00.42 – 00.00.00
(Chef 5./SS-RR 3)

SS-Hstuf.d.R. Rudolf Bachmann (00.04.43) – 00.00.43
(* 10.08.01 Küstrin, 10.42 Chef 5./KR 2, EK I am 22.12.42 5./RR 2, 6.44 Kdr SS-JgBtl 501, 2.45 Kdr I./SS-PGr 21,10.SS-PD,Liste Mansson 10.SS-PD)

SS-Ostuf. Kurt Wegener (00.12.43) – 00.00.44
(3.42 Chef 3./SS-KR 2, 12.43 Chef 5./SS-KR 17, 6.44 SS-Hstuf. U. Fhr SS-KR 53, 9.44 Chef 6./SS-PzGrenRgt 5”T”, 3.SS-PD,s.a. Moore,NachrOffz.)

SS-Ostuf. Schaffner 00.00.44 – 00.00.44
SS-Ustuf. Tobüren 00.00.44 – 00.00.44 verw.

6.Schwadron (Fahrkolonne) :
SS-Ostuf. Horst Lange 00.00.44 – 00.00.44

Zugführer: SS-Ustuf. Pickard 00.00.44 – 00.00.44

Regards yours Roland

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Re: SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by Nicole S. » 25 Jun 2008 08:22

Hello Roland,

thank you for this fine post :D

Yours,

Nicole

Horrido!

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Re: SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by Giorgio » 25 Jun 2008 15:01

Dear Roland,
thank you very much. Now it'll take a long time to compare your data with mine.I'll turn up as soon as possible.
Greetings!
Giorgio

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Re: SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by John P. Moore » 25 Jun 2008 17:15

Much of the information that Roland P. refers to was originally provided to me by the former SS-Ostuf. Fritz Haberstroh, a member of that unit from his time in Kowel to the end in Budapest in 1945 where he lost a leg and was captured by the Soviets.

John

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Re: SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by Nicole S. » 26 Jun 2008 08:33

I think in Heft 8 or 9 of Mr. Wachter is a nice portrait picture of this SS-Ostuf. Haberstroh. When did he joined SS-Kavallerie?

Horrido,

Nicole

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Re: SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by Giorgio » 28 Jun 2008 11:57

Dear RolandP,
that's my "new" Regiment's command roster after I received your post. Under each commander 's name I put my data and sources. I omitted Vandieken because I have to study in detail his career and assignments.I hope I made myself clear but if anybody could help me with some more info, additions & corrections about this list that would be highly appreciated.
Greetings,
Giorgio

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SS-KAVALLERIE-REGIMENT 3/SS-KAVALLERIE DIVISION
Established on 01 June 1942-21 October 1943.
COMMAND ROSTER

SS-Sturmbannführer Albert Fassbender: 24 June or July ? -21 August 1942.
Mark C. Yerger “Riding East” page 43.
viewtopic.php?t=83535
http://www.frontkjemper.info/show_reg.p ... mentsID=17
When the SS-Kavallerie Division formed, Fassbender became the initial commander of SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 until succeeded on August 21, 1942, by Hans-Viktor von Zastrow.


RolandP: SS-Sturmbannführer Hans Viktor von Zastrow 00.06.42 – 00.12.42 gef.
SS-Sturmbannführer Hans-Viktor von Zastrow: 21 August - KIA 10 December 1942.
Mark C. Yerger “Riding East” page 51.
viewtopic.php?t=83535
http://www.frontkjemper.info/show_reg.p ... mentsID=17


SS-Sturmbannführer Hans-Gerd ? von Charpentier: 10-?? December 1942.
http://www.frontkjemper.info/show_reg.php?RegimentsID=17
SS-Hauptsturmführer Hans Georg ? von Charpentier (succeeding SS-Sturmbannführer Hans-Viktor von Zastrow): 10 December 1942 - 10 December 1943.

SS-Hauptsturmführer Walter Bornscheuer (interim commander of the Regiment 3 as von Zastrow’s successor): 10 December 1942 - 01 January 1943.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=96754
viewtopic.php?t=83535


SS-Obersturmbannführer & Temporary commander Eugen Corrodi von Elfenau: 24 December 1942 - 01 April 1943.
From Phil Nix: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=96847&hilit=Elfenau
http://www.frontkjemper.info/show_reg.p ... mentsID=17


RolandP: SS-Sturmbannführer Joseph (Sepp) Syr 00.12.42 – WIA 04 February 1943.
Found no info

RolandP: SS-Hauptsturmführer Adolf Schwarzmaier I.V. 04.02.43 – 15.04.43
SS-Hauptsturmführer Adolf Schwarzmeier or Karl Schwarzmaier ?: Deputy commander from 04 February to 10 April 1943.
http://www.frontkjemper.info/show_reg.php?RegimentsID=17

RolandP: SS-Obersturmbannführer August Zehender (22.10.43) – 01.02.44 verw.
SS-Standartenführer August Zehender: 30 March 1943 - 20 February 1944.
http://www.frontkjemper.info/show_reg.php?RegimentsID=17

RolandP: SS-Sturmbannführer Sepp Syr: 15.04.43 – (4.43/1.44)
SS-Sturmbannführer Joseph (Sepp) Syr: 01 May 1943 to January 1944, Deputy commander for August Zehender ?

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SS-KAVALLERIE-REGIMENT 17/8 SS-KAVALLERIE DIVISION
From 22 October 1943
COMMAND ROSTER
RolandP: SS-Sturmbannführer Kurt Kummer (00.10.43) – 00.00.43
SS-Sturmbannführer Kurt Kummer: ??-October 1943. Deputy commander for August Zehender ?
http://www.frontkjemper.info/show_reg.php?RegimentsID=17

RolandP: SS-Stubaf. Janssen. 01.02.44 – 08.03.44 gef.
SS-Sturmbannführer Johannes Janssen: 20 February-KIA 08 March 1944 Deputy commander for August Zehender ?
http://www.frontkjemper.info/show_reg.php?RegimentsID=17
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=115934&hilit=Egon+Birkigt


RolandP: SS-Hstuf. Egon Birkitt/Birkigt i.V. 08.03.44 – 00.00.44 verw.
SS-Hauptsturmführer Egon Birkigt: 08 March - ?? 1944 (Stellv.?).
http://www.frontkjemper.info/show_reg.php?RegimentsID=17
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=115934&hilit=Egon+Birkigt


SS-Hauptsturmführer Anton “Toni” Ameiser : (1944).

RolandP: SS-Hstuf. Miedemann i.V. 00.04.44
Found no info.

RolandP: SS-Hstuf. Anton Vandieken i.V. 00.03.44 – WIA 00.03.44.
Found no info.

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SS-FREIWILLIGEN-KAVALLERIE-REGIMENT 17/22 SS-KAVALLERIE-DIVISION “MARIA THERESA”
April 1944: SS-FHA authorized rising of Division. SS-Kavallerie Regiment 17, from Florian Geyer, sent to Kisber, Hungary for rest, refitting and to form nucleus of the new Division.
COMMAND ROSTER

SS-Sturmbannführer Walter Bornscheuer (temporary Commander): 21 - 29 April 1944.
http://www.frontkjemper.info/show_reg.php?RegimentsID=17

SS-Standartenführer Waldemar Fegelein: mid 1944.
Mark C. Yerger “Riding East” page 43.

RolandP: SS-Hstuf. Keitel i.V. 00.03.44 – 00.03.44.
SS-Sturmbannführer Keitel Karl-Heinz: from ? – to 20 October 1944.
http://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=9067&hilit=Keitel+Karl
http://www.frontkjemper.info/show_reg.p ... mentsID=17
05.08.1944 Transferred from the Heer to the Waffen-SS, assigned to 22. SS-Freiwilligen-Kavallerie-Division (according to Stammkarte in his SS-Personalakte).
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=52587


SS-Sturmbannführer Anton “Toni” Ameiser: October-November 1944 (Stellv.?).
http://www.frontkjemper.info/show_reg.php?RegimentsID=17
Mark C. Yerger “Riding East” page 87.


RolandP: SS-Hauptsturmführer Meiert, Bruno 00.11.1944.
SS-Hauptsturmführer Bruno Meiert: ? November 1944.
http://www.frontkjemper.info/show_reg.php?RegimentsID=17

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Re: SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by John P. Moore » 28 Jun 2008 18:18

Fritz Haberstroh was assigned to SS-Kavallerie-Rgt. 3/17 in July 1942 as regimental signal officer. Below is a document that he sent me confirming his awards. Note the date of May 24, 1945 from the Soviet POW camp at Cégled located some 100 kilometers east of Budapest.

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Re: SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by Nicole S. » 29 Jun 2008 08:27

Dear John,

thank you for posting this interesting piece of document!

Do you know who signed it? Myself is unable to read the signature of the Abteilungskommandeur.

Horrido!

Nicole

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Re: SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by John P. Moore » 29 Jun 2008 19:58

The SS-Sturmbannführer's signature on the document is Johannes Kiesewetter and the SS-Hauptsturmführer is Richard Schicke.

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Re: SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by Nicole S. » 29 Jun 2008 21:10

Thank you Mr. Moore for clearing this up :D

Horrido!

Nicole

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Re: SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by RolandP » 29 Jun 2008 22:05

Dear Giorgio,
thanks for the new command rooster of SS-KR 3, later 17, but I have to admit that I haven’t worked on my files of the SS-cavalry for months now … so there were no additional remarks on my side!!! :oops:
But I am sure, that there are other members of these forum, to add some further information … :wink:

Regards yours Roland

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Re: SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by Mikedc » 31 Oct 2008 14:28

Hello John,

Thanks for posting this nice and informative document from Fritz Haberstroh.
But I hope you can clear the following for me, pleas do correct me when I'm wrong.
He received the EK II on 6-10-42, the (Infanterie-)Sturmabzeichen on 4-2-43, the EK I on 16-10-43, the Verwundetenabzeichen in Gold on 26-1-45, the Nahkampfspange on 26-1-45 and the DKiG on 20-1-45 (I've written down that he recieved this award on 30-01-45).


Thank you,
Mike

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Re: SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 18 Feb 2009 09:46

Regimentsveterinär:
SS-Hstuf. Schiefer 00.00.00 – (29.04.44)
In a Stellenbesetzung of Reit. Abt./SS-Kav.Rgt. 1 Dr. Hans Schiefer appears as SS-Ustuf. and Abt.Vet. Stichtag: 18.03.1941

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Re: SS-Kavallerie-Regiment 3 (later 17)

Post by Mikedc » 20 Feb 2009 18:54

Hey Jan-Hendrik,

Just checked the Stellenbesetzungsliste from SS-Totenkopf-Kavallerie-Regiment 1 as far as I've it and as far as it's complete/correct and I did find Dr. Hans Schiefer there as SS-Ustuf. and IVc between 3-41 and 9-41 in the I. Reitende-Abteilung from this Regiment.....

Greetings,
Mike

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