Color of Japanese Uniforms
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Color of Japanese Uniforms
This might seem like a simple question, but if you are almost colour blind, it is hard to tell from pictures.
What colour would the uniforms of the Japanese who invaded Hong Kong in 1941 have been?
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Nathan.
What colour would the uniforms of the Japanese who invaded Hong Kong in 1941 have been?
Thanks,
Nathan.
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KhakiNathan Greenfield wrote:What colour would the uniforms of the Japanese who invaded Hong Kong in 1941 have been?
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Hi Taki,
I have sometimes heard the uniforms of the IJA described as a mustard brown, which I take to be close to a shade of ocher. That color would approximate the one shown in the third photo from the left, top row of the ones you link to. However, in most of the photos I've seen, I would agree with you that the color falls closer to khaki. Interesting that a few of the ones on the page you link to the color is almost green. I have to wonder how much of this variation in color is due to differences in the film being used. Have you been able to examine any actual examples of the material used for the uniforms?
Michael
I have sometimes heard the uniforms of the IJA described as a mustard brown, which I take to be close to a shade of ocher. That color would approximate the one shown in the third photo from the left, top row of the ones you link to. However, in most of the photos I've seen, I would agree with you that the color falls closer to khaki. Interesting that a few of the ones on the page you link to the color is almost green. I have to wonder how much of this variation in color is due to differences in the film being used. Have you been able to examine any actual examples of the material used for the uniforms?
Michael
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The dye lots used in manufacturing Japanese Army uniforms appear to have been very irregular. Tadao Nakada (trans. Thomas B. Nelson)'s book Imperial Japanese Army and Navy Uniforms & Equipment, Dai Nippon Printing Co., Hong Kong: 1987 shows a wide variety of colors, ranging from washed-out khaki through reed and mustard green to olive drab and brown colors for WWII Japanese Army uniforms. Most, if not all, of the photographs of uniforms appear to have been taken especially for the book (studio-lit shots, with models and photographic unicolor backgrounds), so I'm not sure that it's a film problem. These photographs of WWII tunics are from pp. 140-141 of Mr. Nakada's book (use scroll feature to see whole page):I have to wonder how much of this variation in color is due to differences in the film being used. Have you been able to examine any actual examples of the material used for the uniforms?
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Yes indeed! Those are quite some variations. I think #471 is the mustard-brown shade I referred to. I think I've seen lots of pics of general officers in #469, especially towards the end of the war.
Thank you, David.
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Thank you, David.
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IJA uniform color was called Kokuboshoku "国防色". It is generally said Khaki. But, its shade in uniforms is various, depending on manufacturers, periods and models. For example, summer uniforms are pale and winter unforms are darker. So, IJA uniform color is not a fixed color, but has many variations.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9B%BD% ... 2%E8%89%B2
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http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9B%BD% ... 2%E8%89%B2
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A couple questions from the links above:
1) Suntory- I can buy this in my home state of Oregon, it's very good , I am courious about how often they were able to get thsi in the field, I suspect beer and saki were a lot easer had by the inlested ranks?
2) Are the weapons they are using real, or replica's? If the later who makes them?
1) Suntory- I can buy this in my home state of Oregon, it's very good , I am courious about how often they were able to get thsi in the field, I suspect beer and saki were a lot easer had by the inlested ranks?
2) Are the weapons they are using real, or replica's? If the later who makes them?
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It should be noted that humid and tropical conditions made uniforms fade,"salty" being one American term for a veteran's attire not mint anymore.
"Khaki" seems a most common description in the early years of the war.Later in 1944/45 some Australian references speak of olive or pea green hues encountered.Some changes in fabric quality must have also occurred.We are also talking about tropical uniforms here.
Here's a mention of "a new extra-lightweight tropical uniform" detected by US Intelligence in 1944.Note underarm vents introduced as well.
http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt/ ... s-ww2.html
Slightly off topic but the North Vietnamese also wore khaki uniforms in the Vietnam War.US accounts,especially in 1965,mention it was an effective cammo color for active service in jungle conditions,especially in the Central Highlands there.Appears the best color scheme for active service in SE Asia."Khakis" became a call sign when distinguishing PAVN troops from VC.
"Khaki" seems a most common description in the early years of the war.Later in 1944/45 some Australian references speak of olive or pea green hues encountered.Some changes in fabric quality must have also occurred.We are also talking about tropical uniforms here.
Here's a mention of "a new extra-lightweight tropical uniform" detected by US Intelligence in 1944.Note underarm vents introduced as well.
http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt/ ... s-ww2.html
Slightly off topic but the North Vietnamese also wore khaki uniforms in the Vietnam War.US accounts,especially in 1965,mention it was an effective cammo color for active service in jungle conditions,especially in the Central Highlands there.Appears the best color scheme for active service in SE Asia."Khakis" became a call sign when distinguishing PAVN troops from VC.
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1) Suntory- I can buy this in my home state of Oregon, it's very good , I am courious about how often they were able to get thsi in the field, I suspect beer and saki were a lot easer had by the inlested ranks?
Whisky was expensive and it was not common as Sake. Only rich officers drank it.
2) Are the weapons they are using real, or replica's?
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> If the later who makes them?
I don't know what manufacturer's guns are used. But, there are some manufacturers of replica guns in Japan and West. Below is one of them.
http://www.tanaka-works.com/index.html
Taki
Whisky was expensive and it was not common as Sake. Only rich officers drank it.
2) Are the weapons they are using real, or replica's?
Both
> If the later who makes them?
I don't know what manufacturer's guns are used. But, there are some manufacturers of replica guns in Japan and West. Below is one of them.
http://www.tanaka-works.com/index.html
Taki
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They are IJN not IJA right? I thought SNLF personel had green uniforms.
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Interesting, 800 some odd dolars for a Type 38 replica, I think you can buy a real one for around that hear in the states, been a while since I checked though.Akira Takizawa wrote:1) Suntory- I can buy this in my home state of Oregon, it's very good , I am courious about how often they were able to get thsi in the field, I suspect beer and saki were a lot easer had by the inlested ranks?
Whisky was expensive and it was not common as Sake. Only rich officers drank it.
2) Are the weapons they are using real, or replica's?
Both
> If the later who makes them?
I don't know what manufacturer's guns are used. But, there are some manufacturers of replica guns in Japan and West. Below is one of them.
http://www.tanaka-works.com/index.html
Taki
Is it leagal in Japan to own real fire arms, and or automatic weapons?
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My understanding is that there were no SNLF at Yokosuka in 1945.Other naval base forces wore Army type uniforms?aipaul wrote:They are IJN not IJA right? I thought SNLF personel had green uniforms.
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They are IJN. In the late WWII, IJN also used uniforms in Kokuboshoku (Khaki).Peter H wrote:My understanding is that there were no SNLF at Yokosuka in 1945.Other naval base forces wore Army type uniforms?aipaul wrote:They are IJN not IJA right? I thought SNLF personel had green uniforms.
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There were SNLF units at Yokosuka at the end of the war.
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It is illegal in Japan to possess a gun which is able to fire. To sell or possess a real Type 38 in Japan, it must be modified not to be able to fire.Brady wrote: Is it leagal in Japan to own real fire arms, and or automatic weapons?
Taki