Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

Post by forttravel » 25 Nov 2017 16:43

Norway. It seems to be Flamingo turret = Bauform 232b Stand für Panzer Kampfwagen Turm II (Flamm.) (Behelfsausf.)
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

Post by jopaerya » 12 Dec 2017 09:30

Hello All

I would like to hear your opinion on this Ebay photo.

Regards Jos
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

Post by Ondrej Filip » 12 Dec 2017 16:34

jopaerya wrote:Hello All

I would like to hear your opinion on this Ebay photo.

Regards Jos
Hi Jos. it looks like the turret (T34/76) laying at the ground. The man at the right side could stay at the commander's seat, but more simple he is staying at the ground.

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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

Post by jopaerya » 13 Dec 2017 09:25

Thanks Ondrej

I thought it was photo-shoped .

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F.Pz.DT 4010 (leichte MG-Drehhaube f. s.MG 34/42)

Post by Lars Bertelsen » 03 Jan 2018 23:47

Hello,
Does anybody have information about how the F.Pz.DT 4010 (leichte MG-Drehhaube f. s.MG 34/42) looked like?
At least 19 of those were sent to the Westwall late 1944. According to German list dated 26.03.1945, 20 turrets of the same type were sent to Denmark, but that is probably a typo.
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

Post by AvB » 04 Jan 2018 08:39

I do have plans of the F.Pz.DT 4007 but I don't know if they look the same. They could both be placed on a similar Ringstand though so I think they're quite similar.

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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

Post by Lars Bertelsen » 04 Jan 2018 23:30

Thanks AvB
I do have plans of the F.Pz.DT 4007 but I don't know if they look the same. They could both be placed on a similar Ringstand though so I think they're quite similar.
One difference between the two turrets was, that the F.Pz.DT 4007 was designed for a l.MG, and the F.Pz.DT 4010 was designed for a s.MG.
But maybe the two turrets were fitted on the same type of base plate?
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

Post by AvB » 05 Jan 2018 22:33

I don't know how an MG 42 in a fixed position could be leicht or schwer? Do you have an explanation for this?

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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

Post by kstdk » 06 Jan 2018 01:08

Hello Arthur

A MG42 in it self is a LMG, as soon it is fixed in the affutage it becomes a SMG. :-)
AvB wrote:I don't know how an MG 42 in a fixed position could be leicht or schwer? Do you have an explanation for this?
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

Post by AvB » 06 Jan 2018 16:30

Yes so when it's fixed in a turret, it's an SMG?

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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

Post by kstdk » 06 Jan 2018 17:05

Hello

Yes :-)
AvB wrote:Yes so when it's fixed in a turret, it's an SMG?
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

Post by der bunkermann » 07 Jan 2018 21:09

Correct,
I think that it has to do with the fact when the weapon is placed in a open emplacement on a tripod or in a tobruk they had better cover, and better aiming possibilities, making it a more dangerous weapon and therefore being SMG.
There must be documents about it..

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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

Post by Lars Bertelsen » 07 Jan 2018 21:51

Yes,
l.MG was fitted in a “loose” mount in the turret and aimed with the MG’s grip and butt stock.
s.MG was fixed in the turret and aimed with hand wheels (like e.g. F.Pz.DT 4803).
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

Post by kstdk » 08 Jan 2018 00:48

Hello

It is as simple as this:

Picture 1 is a LMG

Picture 2 is a SMG

As soon as the MG is in a fixed position it becomes a SMG.

Fixed as in mounted in the affutage, on a vehicle, in a tank, a tankturret or in a fixed position in a bunker / tobruk etc. etc. giving the MG - as "Bunkermann" says "better aiming possibilities, making it a more dangerous weapon and therefore being SMG."

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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

Post by forttravel » 20 Feb 2018 21:34

Back to topic :-)
Cruiser Mk IV (A13 mark II) tank dug-in in Africa.
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