Crisis in Thailand 1962

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Crisis in Thailand 1962

Post by Peter H » 11 Nov 2008 10:58

The Pathet Lao attack on Nam Tha in Laos resulted in the deployment of Seato troops to Thailand from May 1962.Ground and air units were deployed to northern Thailand.The issue was somewhat resolved when the considered threat to Thailand was resolved with the setting up of a neutralist coalition government in Laos in July 1962.

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Joint Task Force 116

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3rd MEU(May-July 1962)
1st Battlegroup,27th Infantry(25th Division)(May-August 1962)
1st Battlegroup,35th Infantry (25th Division)(August-November 1962)

http://www.geocities.com/jackscorner200 ... rical.html
In conjunction with SEATO Exercise Air Cobra, the Joint Task Force 116 was deployed from Okinawa to Thailand in early 1962. The US Task Force included a US Marine Battalion Landing Team (BLT), the 1st Battle Group, 27th Infantry (25th Infantry Division) and supporting elements under a detachment of the 9th Logistical Command, which also included elements of the 1st Aviation Company (Caribou), 31st MED Field Hospital and the 999th Signal Company. As the logistical support element of JTF 116, the 9th Logistical Command was also to provide assistance in civil construction projects. When the Task Force was deactivated in December 1962, the 9th Logistical Command remained in Thailand with the mission of storing and maintaining prepositioned stocks, conducting people-to-people civic action programs and maintaining the in-country communication base.



US troops in northern Thailand 1962.From War in Peace 1983,page 893.
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Re: Crisis in Thailand 1962

Post by Peter H » 11 Nov 2008 11:01

Australian Forces
RAAF 79 Squadron


http://www.diggerhistory3.info/raaf/pag ... t-war2.htm
When a threat developed to Thailand in 1962 the effectiveness of the SEATO alliance was under critical test and four nations - U.S.A., Britain, Australia and New Zealand quickly deployed units for the defence of Thailand. Australia contributed Sabres of NO- 79 Squadron which, late in May 1962. set up ready for operations at Ubon, where it was integrated into the air defence system and carried out patrol, guard and training duties. The rapidity with which this contingent was able to deploy and sustain itself under adverse conditions testified to the soundness of RAAF policies.

When the squadron was withdrawn from Thailand in August 1968 it left behind much tangible evidence of assistance to the people of Thailand in the form of civil aid programmes carried out and developed by successive teams of RAAF volunteers over the years of their service in Thailand.


The original pilots of No. 79 Fighter squadron selected for service at U bon, Thailand, study a map prior to take-off from the RAF Base at Tengah, Singapore. Left to right, they are: Pilot Officer W. E. Scott, Flying Officer D. Newton, Wing Commander J. Hubble (Commanding Officer), Flight Lieutenant S. C. Fisher, Squadron Leader R. Trebilco, Flying Officer K. N. Pike, Flying Officer M. Raynes and Flying Officer C. S. Viertel.
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Re: Crisis in Thailand 1962

Post by Peter H » 11 Nov 2008 11:03

British Forces

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/milestones- ... y/1962.cfm
Following a Pathet Lao offensive in Laos during early 1962, the South East Asia Treaty Organisation establishes a multinational Joint Task Force, JTF 116, to defend Thailand against any potential Pathet Lao or North Vietnamese incursion. The RAF element of this force (Operation Bibber) comprised an initial detachment of 6 Hawker Hunter FGA9s, which was later increased to 10, drawn from No.20 Squadron, which deployed from Tengah to Don Maung in Bangkok, from this date. Subsequently, the detachment transferred to Chieng Mai in northern Thailand between 5 June and 15 November 1962. Despite an invasion scare in June, no incursions across the Thai border took place.

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Re: Crisis in Thailand 1962

Post by Peter H » 11 Nov 2008 11:08

New Zealand Forces

RNZAF 41 Squadron(Bristol Freighters)
30 NZ SAS

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new+ ... e+thailand
In 1962, three RNZAF Bristol freighters with support personnel and 30 Special Air Service personnel were deployed to northeastern Thailand. They joined forces from the United States, Thailand, Australia and the United Kingdom to prepare against a feared invasion of Thailand from across the Laos border. The crisis was resolved before any invasion was launched.

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Re: Crisis in Thailand 1962

Post by Peter H » 11 Nov 2008 11:49

As a follow up in June 1963 a large SEATO manouevre was held in Thailand,Operation Dhanarajata.

Participating units included the US 2nd Airborne Battle Group, 503rd Infantry from Okinawa and the British 28th Brigade from Malaya(including the Australian B Co,2 RAR Group).

http://www.173rdairborne.net/images/OK_Jump_1963-5.jpg
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Time Magazine,1963:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -1,00.html
U.S. Air Force jet transport eased onto central Thailand's Korat airstrip from Hawaii last week and deposited 69 U.S. combat troops in battle dress. They were the advance unit of the two U.S. Army battle groups scheduled to participate in next month's SEATO maneuvers involving 25,000 troops from Thailand, the U.S., France, Britain, Pakistan and the Philippines. At SEATO headquarters in Bangkok, the purpose of the exercise was explained: "The operation supposes that out of tense conditions near the border of Thailand an enemy force crosses into this country in open aggression."
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1963..Troops of B Company, 2 Battalion, The Royal Australian Regiment (2RAR), formed up at Changi Airport waiting to board an RAF transport aircraft to take them to Thailand where they will be deployed to establish the perimeter defence of the Ubon airfield.
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Re: Crisis in Thailand 1962

Post by South » 11 Nov 2008 12:20

Good morning Peter,

Recommend adding to the U.S. orbat the White Star Mobile Teams (later called White Star Mobile Training Teams).

The French, who were to train the Laotian military under the Geneva Accords of 1954, were not happy with the US presence.

It was earlier than 1962 - around early 1961 - that JFK allowed dropping the pretense that the US training teams were training teams. The teams could now wear uniforms. The teams left Laos October 1962. Although these teams worked for the PEO, the additional assignment was working with CIA.

The Lao and Hmong did get trained.

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Re: Crisis in Thailand 1962

Post by Peter H » 12 Nov 2008 01:48

Thanks Bob

Yes,12 Green Berets "advised" at Nam Tha.

"White Star Mobile Training Teams"
http://www.don-valentine.com/1st%20Grou ... 20Star.htm
Only a week or two after I was back in LP, I think it was still May, the team at Nam Tha reported that their entire force, paratroops and all, had "bugged out" [fled]. It seems their fearless buddhist fighters had hastily departed in the middle of the night before a shot had been fired. They had deserted the FTT without any warning. They also left the artillery guns behind. The FTT awoke when about 5,000 Vietminh and Pathet Lao attacked at the crack of dawn. The FTT barely escaped and evaded the enemy until they could contact LP and request help. Members of my B Team got our guys out okay.
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Re: Crisis in Thailand 1962

Post by Peter H » 12 Nov 2008 02:01

Earlier intervention in Laos in 1961 was also considered at one stage.In April 1961 elements of the US 7th Fleet did deploy to the Gulf of Siam,and a Marine Helicopter Squadron Group deployed to Udorn.

http://www.history.navy.mil/seairland/chap2.htm
By the end of April most of the Seventh fleet was deployed off the Indochinese Peninsula preparing to initiate operations into Laos. The force consisted of Coral Sea (CVA 43) and Midway (CVA 41) carrier battle groups, antisubmarine support carrier Kearsarge (CVS 33), one helicopter carrier, three groups of amphibious ships, two submarines, and three Marine battalion landing teams. At the same time, shorebased air patrol squadrons and another three Marine battalion landing teams stood ready in Okinawa and the Philippines to support the afloat force. Although the administration of President John F. Kennedy already had decided against American intervention to rescue the Laotian government, Communist forces halted their advance and agreed to negotiations. The contending Laotian factions concluded a cease-fire on 8 May 1961, but it lasted only a year.

Fleet training exercises also served to highlight American strength and purpose in Southeast Asia. Exercise Pony Express, conducted on the northern coast of Borneo by 60 ships and 26,000 personnel from SEATO member states between late April and early May 1961, prominently displayed U.S. naval power and allied military solidarity. Throughout this period, the Navy took other steps to reaffirm the U.S. commitment to friendly governments.


However proposals that combat troops be sent into Laos were rejected:

http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/spartans/chapter3.pdf
To counter the communist threat, the Pentagon developed OPLAN X-61, a plan for U.S.troops to enter Laos, as well as a SEATO version,Field Forces Plan 5-61. The U.S. Seventh Fleet sent additional carriers to the South China Sea,while a U.S. Marine battalion was readied to land in Thailand. Exactly how many U.S. troops would be committed remained sketchy - planners favored numbers anywhere from 60,000 to 140,000 men, though U.S. Secretary of State Dean Rusk opted for 10,000 troops in an enclave around Vientiane...

... However, the proposed intervention never materialized. The most likely explanation is that President Kennedy simply did not want to fight a war in Laos. He and his advisors had developed a low regard for the military capability of Phoumi's forces. The Royal Laotian Army,along with its ethnic Meo and Hmong units, had outnumbered the Pathet Lao and Kong Le forces,yet the latter had gained the upper hand by April.An advisor to Kennedy had derided RLA as"clearly inferior to a battalion of conscientious objectors from World War I." Also, the U.S.Army's chief of staff and U.S. Marine Corps' commandant were skeptical of supporting a full-blown military intervention, citing logistics and terrain problems as prohibitive factors.Instead, in early May 1961 the two Laotian factions sat down to negotiate another coalition arrangement. It has been suggested by some offi-ial U.S. histories that the impetus for the meetings by the Laotians was the possibility of U.S. military intervention. At the time, there was an ongoing Southeast Asia Treaty Organization exercise known as Pony Express, which was practicing an insertion of military forces in a notional country to meet an external assault. The combination of the announced possibility of U.S. inter-vention and the existence of SEATO forces prac-ticing such a contingency may have impressed the Laotian factions.

Photo from: http://www.combatreform2.com

US 7th Fleet,South China Sea 1961
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Re: Crisis in Thailand 1962

Post by zenas5 » 27 Jan 2009 12:05

At this location there is a photo of US troops in northern Thailand. I am currently authoring a book about the history of Udorn RTAFB and would like to use this photo for the publication. Please consent to the use; all credits will be presented with the photo.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 8&t=145828

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Re: Crisis in Thailand 1962

Post by Peter H » 27 Jan 2009 13:01

Hi Dave

The photo as indicated was from War in Peace,1983,published by Orbis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbis_Publishing

Credit should be given to them I assume.As they don't exist anymore I assume this would be OK,but don't take my word for it.

Other Udorn photos from Time-Life from 1961 can be found here as well:
http://images.google.com/images?q=udon&q=source%3Alife

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Re: Crisis in Thailand 1962

Post by capnandy » 11 Nov 2012 15:15

I have some pics of Udorn from 62 and 63 if any interested. Was part of 999th sig co manning radio site there.Also was part of MCB3 convoy of equipt from Bankok to NKP

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Re: Crisis in Thailand 1962

Post by rickyc » 19 Dec 2016 05:31

capnandy - I would like any photos you have of Udorn - the base, downtown, and the rail yards - during 1962. I am applying for Agent Orange. Thanks!

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Re: Crisis in Thailand 1962

Post by rickyc » 19 Dec 2016 05:44

capnandy - I forgot to give my email - - rickycjc@bellsouth.net

Rick Carlton - thanks!!

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Re: Crisis in Thailand 1962

Post by wcb8692 » 12 May 2017 23:31

Capnandy,
I would also like some pictures that you have of Udorn. I was with the 167th Signal in Udorn from 1962-1963 and we were the only troops in Udorn. We were sent to train the Thi Army on the use of our equipment which we turned over to them when we left in 1963. We had relay sites and base sites from Udorn to Ubon. I would appreciate you sending me pictures at wcb8692@gmail.com. Thank you!

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