what concentration camp patch did christians wear?

barbarosa · Post by **barbarosa** » 19 Jan 2003 18:58

i know for a fact that christians were put into concentration camps, solely because they were christians and that they had their own distinct patch. does anyone have a pic?

qdave · Post by **qdave** » 19 Jan 2003 19:31

are you sure about that?

Dan W. · Post by **Dan W.** » 19 Jan 2003 19:38

I think you may be thinking of Jehova's Witnesses. Check out this thread.

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/phpBB2/v ... hp?t=13855

barbarosa · Post by **barbarosa** » 19 Jan 2003 20:57

not jehovas witness cult, CHRISTIANS.

Hitler was blunter still on other occasions. "It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity," he said in 1933, "because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood." His countrymen would have to choose: "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both."

The clergy were a chief target: "In West Prussia, out of 690 parish priests, at least two-thirds were arrested, and the remainder escaped only by fleeing from their parishes. After a month's imprisonment, no less than 214 of these priests were executed... by the end of 1940 only twenty priests were left in their parishes — about three percent of the number of parish priests in the pre-war era."

dietrich bonhoffer, a prominent member of Confessional Church, stated in regards to hitler that he is one of the: "disguises in which evil has appeared" server as a pastor in london, secret church conference in geneva, 1941 to pray for the defeat of his country, as it would be the only way for germany to "atone" for the sins it was then commiting.

insisted hitler must be "exterminated" made series of secret meetings in stockholm as well. asociated with "kreisau cirlce" Eugen Gerstenmaier. Bonhoffer complied file on the crimes of the SS, as he was drafted into OKW intelligence.

made contacts with bishop george bell, to overthrow hitler. hanged in concentration camp later. (see e.g., plotting the death oh hitler, fest, p. 381-392.).

I think you may be thinking of Jehova's Witnesses

The Rutgers project's editor, for example, seems to have been taken a bit by surprise. Julie Seltzer Mandel told the Philadelphia Enquirer that "When people think about the Holocaust, they think about the crimes against Jews, but here's a different perspective." The Nazis, she says, "wanted to eliminate the Jews altogether, but they were also looking to eliminate Christianity."

Michael Kenny · Post by **Michael Kenny** » 19 Jan 2003 23:38

Don't worry barbie, no followers of oden (your spelling) were put in the camps. Strange that a 'Pagan' like you should be so interested in promoting Christianity and denigrating Islam.

barbarosa · Post by **barbarosa** » 20 Jan 2003 00:07

there is no doubt that radical islam and the nazis had a lot in common, but we arent allowed to discuss that in here, so i would drop it. as for christiantity, i only ask these questions not to support the christians but to alarm so called christians who support nazis that they were next to be butchered. also my god can be spelled w-o-t-a-n, o-d-e-n, and many other ways, just as m-a-u-s can be spelled m-o-u-s-e. last time i checked this is an international form.

also, i did not denegrate islam, but islam has been hi jacked by radicals and it promotes killing innocent people (since the days of mohamed). the barbie comments you make, only show your childlike maturity level and buttress my intellectual standing over you. thank you!

Strange that a 'Pagan' like you should be so interested in promoting Christianity and denigrating Islam.

Dan W. · Post by **Dan W.** » 20 Jan 2003 00:38

barbarosa wrote: only show your childlike maturity level and buttress my intelectual standing over you. thank you!

Strange that a 'Pagan' like you should be so interested in promoting Christianity and denigrating Islam.

Well, you got "buttress" correct but you botched "intellectual."
Try again Barbie!

Davey Boy · Post by **Davey Boy** » 20 Jan 2003 00:41

The clergy were a chief target: "In West Prussia, out of 690 parish priests, at least two-thirds were arrested, and the remainder escaped only by fleeing from their parishes. After a month's imprisonment, no less than 214 of these priests were executed... by the end of 1940 only twenty priests were left in their parishes — about three percent of the number of parish priests in the pre-war era."

This quote refers to Polish priests.

The Germans targetted Polish priests because our Catholic church was very patriotic. It was partly thanks to the church that Polish culture survived through the Prussian and Russian occupations.

Sam H. · Post by **Sam H.** » 20 Jan 2003 01:17

Well Barbarosa, you keep trying to keep this debate alive. It seems know one on this board thus far has come forward to support your assertion that Hitler was out to exterminate Christians.

What new spin are you going to try?

barbarosa · Post by **barbarosa** » 20 Jan 2003 01:19

yes davey boy, you are right, i hope that these children who attempt to insult me, will actually read the questions, rather than attack me personally. thanks for your contribution. but dont forget that hitler wanted to exterminate all religion, including the catholics.

davey boy says:

This quote refers to Polish priests.

HEY sam h. IT WAS HITLER WHO MADE THE ASSERTION, not me!!

hitler said:
Hitler was blunter still on other occasions. "It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity," he said in 1933, "because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood." His countrymen would have to choose: "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both."

sam h says: It seems know one on this board thus far has come forward to support your assertion that Hitler was out to exterminate Christians.

Scott Smith · Post by **Scott Smith** » 20 Jan 2003 05:06

Political prisoners wore a red triangle, because they were usually Communists. However Polish and Czech nationalists had a red triangle with a P or a T respectively. The JWs had purple triangles. They were imprisoned because they were conscientious-objectors. Vagrants or asocials had black triangles. Homosexuals had pink triangles. Ordinary criminals had green triangles. Interned deportees or aliens had blue triangles. And Jews had a yellow triangle combined with a classification triangle of some color to make a Star of David. There were no classifications for Christians other than JWs because the Nazis did not imprison Christians as such. Bonhoffer was a wartime Widerstand traitor who was also critical of the government's anti-Semitic policies for religious reasons, and Niemöller was critical of Hitler for personal reasons of his own ambition. These were prominent political prisoners and I don't recall that they wore any distinctive markings, but if they did it would probably be the purple triangles of the Bibelforschers or possibly the red of political prisoners or even the green of statutory criminals if they were convicted of a particular offense.

barbarosa · Post by **barbarosa** » 20 Jan 2003 05:53

yes, i have seen this. but there is an even more extensive one. it had a symbol for "radical" christians, as i recall. and yes you are right about Bonhoffer, which brings me to another point. that point being that it wasn't simply ok for christians to sit by and watch jews be butchered.

so it seems that if a christian sat by and watched he was a good christian and not interned. but if not, then a POLITICAL PRISONER to be burned in the ovens.

David Thompson · Post by **David Thompson** » 20 Jan 2003 05:59

barbarosa -- There's some interesting material on this subject (the Nazis and Christianity, not KZ patches) available at:

http://www-camlaw.rutgers.edu/publicati ... -religion/

Once I get done posting slave labor documents, I'll try to post some on the subject from the "Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression series. There's actually quite a lot on the Nazi program for the christian churches.

Scott Smith · Post by **Scott Smith** » 20 Jan 2003 06:34

barbarosa wrote:yes you are right about Bonhoffer, which brings me to another point. that point being that it wasn't simply ok for christians to sit by and watch jews be butchered.

Is there any evidence that Bonhoffer knew anything about butchering and was not simply against state-sponsored anti-Semitism (not quite the same as murder). Is it okay to become a traitor when your nation is at war, because you disagree with its internal policies on religious grounds?

so it seems that if a christian sat by and watched he was a good christian and not interned. but if not, then a POLITICAL PRISONER to be burned in the ovens.

Can you be more specific? I can't think of any government that would tolerate attempts on the life of its Head of State, or adherence to its foreign enemies--not even from radical-Christians and political-priests. Bismarck fought a Kulturkamp against the churches to separate the two spheres in German society. The Nazis similarly advocated modernization and secularization.

barbarosa · Post by **barbarosa** » 20 Jan 2003 07:10

actually, Bonhoffer knew about it because actually worked for the OKW!!! he was an insider my friend! he was compling a list of war crimes when he was interned. i dont think it is ok to become a traitor. however, when you have evidence that your country is murdering the innocents, do you sit by and do nothing?

actually, hitler ABSOLUTELY supported the destruction of christianity, all forms. please read the quote by hitler in my post.

Scott Smith wrote

Is there any evidence that Bonhoffer knew anything about butchering and was not simply against state-sponsored anti-Semitism

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