General Daluege in Untersteiermark 1941

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General Daluege in Untersteiermark 1941

Post by Mark V. » 27 Dec 2008 20:55

Photos of Daluege's visit in Slovenia (Bacher-Gebirge/Pohorje) after the invasion of Yugoslavia in May 1941 from Bildarchiv Austria. Looks like he's in the company of Oberst d.SchP. Mascus.

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Daluege beim Polizei-Bataillon nach dem Einsatzim Bachergebirge (ehem. Slowenien) bei der Verpflegung.

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General Daluege (Chef der Ordnungspolizei) iin einem Batallionsgefechtsstand am Kartentisch mit anderen Offizieren, bei einem Polizeieinsatz in der Süd-Steiermark (ehem. Slowenien).

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General Daluege (Chef der Ordnungspolizei) in Slowenien: jedes Mitglied der Polizeikompanie erhält ein Päckchen aus seiner Hand.

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Post by Phil Nix » 28 Dec 2008 12:48

Middle pic shows Adolf von Bomhard on the right and Helmut Mascus on the left with Daluge
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Re: General Daluege in Untersteiermark 1941

Post by harmel » 28 Dec 2008 17:11

Thanks Phil.
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Post by Mark V. » 29 Dec 2008 21:00

Thanks Phil.

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Post by J. Duncan » 29 Dec 2008 21:44

Concerning General Kurt Daluege, how important a figure was he in the SS apparatus? He was the chief of all the police forces or just the Ordnungspolizei? I've read that his nickname was "Dummi-Dummi" (a rather derogatory term meaning "stupid")...that he was a garbage man in civilian life or some kind of sanitation worker (Alan Wykes - Ballantine's "Himmler")..that he got his start working for Goebbels in Berlin during the kampfzeit years...and that his relations with Himmler were very bad. I suspect Wykes is not a good source since those old Ballantine books are badly referenced "pulp" works. What kind of man was Daluege? I'm interested to learn. (Duncan)

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Post by Michael Miller » 29 Dec 2008 23:33

A few notes on Daluege's personality and character.

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00.03.1936 Suffered his first heart attack. His health problems were the subject of rumors throughout the SS- it was alleged that he was impotent and mentally unstable due to syphilis. The impotence rumor was quashed when Frau Daluege gave birth to a son in 1938, however speculation continued to exist that Daluege’s alleged mental problems and lack of intelligence (he was known in some circles by the unflattering nickname “Dummi-Dummi”) had been brought about by venereal disease. The U.S. Army psychiatrist Dr. Leon Goldensohn, who interviewed Daluege on 26.01.1946, confirms the syphilis rumor in The Nuremberg Interviews, pp. 277-278:
"He said that he inherited syphilis from his father, but it was not discovered until he was thirty-six. He has taken yearly treatments for the past ten years. His father lived to be seventy-three, had syphilis for years, but it never affected his health. Daluege was told that his syphilis was inherited and that it was unusual for the type of syphilis he had to go undiscovered for many years without symptoms. During the first ten years of his marriage, he was childless, and thought that the syphilis caused him to be sterile. However, after a few years of treatment, he was able to have children."
The following is excerpted from Dr. Leon Goldensohn's psychiatric assessment of Daluege (based on an interview conducted 26.01.1946):
"... Did he feel guilty of anything? 'No.' He was in charge of the police force of Germany, and everything had gone all right as far as he knew. The general impression he leaves is that he is insensitive, hard-boiled, capable of great ruthlessness, amoral, conscienceless.... Emotionally, he seems callous, affectless, unimaginative, and there is evidence of obsessive character.... He presents himself as being just an officeholder, the son of an officeholder; knows nothing about atrocities and so forth. It is clear that he would be the kind of executive who would neatly and obsessively be well informed about everything his forces did, and in fact exert a rigid control over them.... That it is fairly improbably to get much emotional response out of this man, I am convinced. There is a long-conditioned hardness, an outer shell which has been worn and used so long, probably nothing exists beneath it. Having dealt with force, violence, and easy dispositions of the lives of others, it is questionable as to how much value he puts on life in general, including his own in particular. This was not discussed with him, though it would be interesting to get some information on that point. Getting a sincere or emotionally meaningful answer from him is like trying to bail water from a long-dry well." (Source: Dr. Goldensohn, The Nuremberg Interviews, pp. 277-278)

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Post by J. Duncan » 29 Dec 2008 23:58

Thanks for the info...I have Goldensohn's book so I will have to re-read that section ...strange how a man like Daluege with such limited mental ability could have gotten so far...I think Karl Rover had syphlis too....Accounts say Daluege slashed his wrists before his execution but a in a photo of the event his wrists look bare (no bandages). I've seen the execution of Karl Hermann Frank (USHMM) and that was ugly...they plugged his mouth and nose and pulled down hard on his head and neck (his arm was still twitching after he dropped down on the "hanging post" - it was not the trap door kind - Daluege was hanged on the same type of post, quite possibly the same one). Although I've read Himmler didn't like him, Max William's "Heydrich" books give the indication that Reinhard and Kurt got on very well. There are many photos of them together smiling and enjoying each other's company.

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Post by stcamp » 31 Dec 2008 15:01

I never had the impression that he was not intelligent. To survive, and prosper, among the people, and power games they played, showed at a minimum he was cunning. A bigraphy of him would be an interesting read. Of course he knew what was going on as far as the killings in the east. I believe Hitler kept him in power because he shared the same views, was ruthless, and served as a check on Himmler and Heydrich.

I also believe, although I have no proof, that he pushed hard for the use of Police Battalions as einsatzgruppes in order to maintain his relevance in the Nazi orginization. It also helped him curry favor with Hitler. When I say 'einsatzgruppes' I mean as units tasked to do nothing but kill civillians.

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Post by Michael Miller » 31 Dec 2008 17:13

Another observation by his one-time subordinate (and future member of the German resistance), the not-always-reliable Hans Bernd Gisevius:
“I had the opportunity to follow [Daluege’s] career closely for about two years, from the middle of 1933 to the middle of 1935, and honesty forces me to say that he had his good points. His reputation was for a long time worse than his behavior. I might put it that he was not the type of an utterly lost soul, but rather the model of one utterly corrupted. Stupid, immeasurably vain, but on the other hand neither hungry for power nor steeped in falsehood, his first reaction was usually decent, never malicious. If one took instant advantage of this reaction- if, for example, one had taken the precaution of bringing documents for signature- he often let himself be persuaded to take steps that required amazing courage. It was only when he had a chance to make calculations that he became a scoundrel. For if he were given time to consider what his Führer really thought, or what Goebbels might reply, or whether Göring agreed, or how Himmler would behave, or whether his own action might endanger his position- the hope was lost.” (Source: Gisevius, To the Bitter End, pp. 138-139)
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P.S.~ His biography, and many photos, will appear in Volume III of Gauleiter: The Regional Leaders of the Nazi Party and Their Deputies, by myself and Andreas Schulz, with Roger Bender publishing.

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Post by Max Williams » 31 Dec 2008 18:06

I believe that a lot of what is written about Daluege is extremely misleading. He was certainly not the fool that many portray him as. He displayed remarkable organisational skills, as illustrated by the methods used to administer the Ordnungspolizei, no small organisation. He efficiently carried out his duties as Acting Reichsprotektor in Böhmen Mähren and was replaced as a result of his failing health. In 1924, he qualified as an engineer (Dip. Ing., the German equivalent of a university degree) and for three years worked as a civil engineer and stress analyst in railway and construction work. He was a technical and commercial assistant in the Prussian Ministry Of Agriculture and construction supervisor of canals and the building of railways. He was also later employed by the city of Berlin authority as an engineer in the disposal and recycling of rubbish. During this period, Daluege also held the important position of NSDAP Deputy Gauleiter of Berlin-Brandenburg. On top of this, he retained the admiration of Heydrich, a man who did not suffer fools easily. At the height of his power, he was almost certainly the de facto recognised deputy to the RFSS. It was Daluege who signed the first deportation orders for Reich Jews. Certainly one of the most underestimated, misunderstood and incorrectly portrayed figures of the Third Reich.
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Post by Michael Miller » 31 Dec 2008 18:23

Award recommendations for RK d. KVK m. Schw. and DKiS (the latter not yet fully translated from the German):

07.09.1943 Ritterkreuz des Kriegsverdienstkreuz mit Schwertern as SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer und Generaloberst der Polizei and Chef der Hauptamt Ordnungspolizei. The following is the “Supporting Document” for the award, submitted by Reichsführer-SS Himmler on 25.08.1943:
“Supporting Document
SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer D a l u e g e has demonstrated the greatest efforts in the reorganization of the entire Ordnungspolizei, especially the establishment, after commencement of the war, of SS-Polizei-Regiments plus a Land- und Stadtwacht [Rural and Municipal Constabulary]. The resulting units have shown great promise in combating bandits and saboteurs at the front as well as in homeland areas. Special merit for SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer D a l u e g e has been achieved through the taut organization of the police based air defense units, especially the Luftschutz-Polizei [Air Defense Police].
As a result of these efforts I consider him worthy of decoration with the Ritterkreuz des Kriegsverdienstkreuzes and request this award for him.”

10.09.1942 Deutsches Kreuz in Silber as SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer und Generaloberst der Polizei and Chef der Ordnungspolizei (based on the following recommendation dated 03.07.1942 and signed by Reichsführer-SS Himmler:
“I request the award of the Deutsche Kreuz in Silber for SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer und Generaloberst der Polizei Kurt D a l u e g e.
In his capacity as Chef der Ordnungspolizei, SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer Daluege, who has already been decorated with the Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. and 1. Klasse mit Schwertern, commands 270,000 men of the Police, the entire active and volunteer Feuerschutzpolizei, the Riesenorganisation des bisherigen Sicherheits- und Hilfsdienstes (today known as the Luftschutzpolizei), as well as the Technische Nothilfe.
Die Verbände des Generalobersten Daluege haben sich in diesem Winter als Frontverbände, obwohl sie für diesen Einsatz nicht ausgerüstet waren, an vielen Stellen der Front bewähren können. Seine Verbände in der Heimat haben den schweren Luftangriffen im Westen und Norden des Reiches in vorbildlicher Weise gearbeitet und an allen Stellen Gefahren abgewehrt und geholfen.
Die Schlagkraft der gesamten Ordnungspolizei ist in erster Linie das Verdienst dieses alten Nationalsozialisten und SS-Mannes, der sich durch seine aussergewöhnlichen Organisationsgaben und durch seinen, auch in schweren Zeiten niemals geschwundenen Mut und seine Tatkraft auszeichnet.
Ich bitte daher gehorsamst meinen Verleihungsvorschlag zu genehmigen.”

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f.d.R. [für die Richtigkeit / for the record] [Rudolf] Brandt”

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Post by Michael Miller » 31 Dec 2008 18:26

And here is the deportation order referenced by Max:

24.10.1941 Signed the following deportation order for Jews from Germany, Austria, and the Reich Protectorate of Bohemia & Moravia to Riga and Minsk (25,000 Jews from those areas arrived in Riga and a further 7,000 in Minsk during November and December 1941):
“Berlin, 24.10.1941
NW 7, Unter den Linden 74
Chef der Ordnungspolizei
Kdo.g2(01) Nr. 514 II/41(g)
Secret!

Express Letter
Subject: Evacuation of Jews from the Altreich and the Protectorate.

1) During the period 1.11. to 4.12.1941, the Sicherheitspolizei of the Altreich, the Ostmark and the “Reichsprotektorat Böhmen und Mähren” will ship 50,000 Jews to the East into the vicinities of Riga and Minsk. Resettlement will take place by means of the Reichsbahn, with each train carrying 1,000 persons. The transport trains will be assembled in Berlin, Hamburg, Hannover, Dortmund, Münster, Düsseldorf, Köln, Frankfurt/Main, Kassel, Stuttgart, Nürnberg, München, Wien, Breslau, Prague, and Brünn.
2) Based on agreements with the Chief of the Sicherheitspolizei and Sicherheitsdienst, the transport trains will be guarded by Ordnungspolizei, which will furnish escort units, each 1 [person in command] to 12 [policemen] in strength. Details must be worked out with the appropriate local administrative branches of the Sicherheitsdienst.
The task of the escort units will be completed as soon as they have delivered the transports properly to the appropriate Sicherheitspolizei branches at the places of destination. They will then return without delay to their home stations.
3) The costs arising from furnishing escort units will be born by the Chief of the Sicherheitspolizei. An account of the costs incurred by the police administrations is to be handed in to the Chief of the Sicherheitspolizei at the termination of each transport.

[Signed] Daluege”
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Post by Georges JEROME » 31 Dec 2008 19:00

I agree with Max,
Curt Daluege has talent of organisation.
He set up the organisation of the SS in the whole east germany covering Brandenburg, Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia.
In Prussia under Göring, he took over controle of prussian police and developped the Landespolizei created by Goring.
Under the auspices of Himmler, he federate the whole uniformed corps under Ordnungspolizei including fire brigades and Technical emergency forces.
He has an efficient staff with such men like Winkelmann, Pfeffer Wildenbruch, von Bomhard, Mulverstedt who help him to develop the militarization of the Orpo : a network of police bataillons for security and a division of infantry to keep hand of his policemen which can be transfered from police to front duties and so one.
Finally, I can't consider Hitler could appoint an inefficiant man in the very important industrial center of Bohemia Moravia. Under the year he acted as Protector, the industrial quotas to german production were obtained. At political level, Daluege chose Reinefarth as generalinspekteur for the administration with the direct authority upon Oberlandrat to fight against his deputy K.H. Frank who was desappointed to miss the succession of Heydrich.
He therefore has less political talents : he lost the fight to be appointed Chef der Deutsche Polizei against Himmler in spite of Frick support. Heydrich have control upon the appointment of Polizeiprasident who are under Orpo and a number of Gestapo and SD leaders reach to this position during the war. He couldn't preserve Orpo from SS influence : from 42 in view to unify police rank badges Orpo generals wore SS collar badges and Police division lost police uniforms for Waffen SS uniform.

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Post by stcamp » 31 Dec 2008 19:29

stcamp wrote:I never had the impression that he was not intelligent. To survive, and prosper, among the people, and power games they played, showed at a minimum he was cunning. A bigraphy of him would be an interesting read. Of course he knew what was going on as far as the killings in the east. I believe Hitler kept him in power because he shared the same views, was ruthless, and served as a check on Himmler and Heydrich.

I also believe, although I have no proof, that he pushed hard for the use of Police Battalions as einsatzgruppes in order to maintain his relevance in the Nazi orginization. It also helped him curry favor with Hitler. When I say 'einsatzgruppes' I mean as units tasked to do nothing but kill civillians.

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Edited. I meant to write that 'I never had the impression that he was not intelligent.'
Damn, I hate it when I drop a word.

I agree with what George wrote. The General and Hans Siegling have always struck me as men who would make for a good biography.

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Post by Georges JEROME » 31 Dec 2008 20:12

only bio I red upon Daluege is :

Caron Cadle: Kurt Daluege. Der Prototyp des loyalen Nationalsozialisten, in: Ronald Smelser u.a. (Hg.): Die braune Elite II. Darmstadt 1993, S.66-79.

in 79 he wrote an interesting work upon Daluege for his work at Un of Princeton.

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