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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 19 Feb 2021 15:54

nuyt wrote
Looks a lot like the 15cm Versuchshaubitze L12 by Krupp, used by Belgium and Turkey during WW1:
http://landships.info/landships/artille ... bitze.html
I think you are right, nuyt. There were a much similarities...although I can see also some differences, as in the recuperator/brake cylinder.... :?

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by DaSk » 19 Feb 2021 17:24

Sturm78 wrote:
17 Jun 2020 22:25
Hi all,

An image from Ebay. I think a recaptured 10cm gun turret of a pre WW1 old fortress...

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To # 440.
You are absolutely right. This gun is probably 10 cm Turmkanone from Metz or Thionville or Feste Kaiser Wilhelm II near Mutzig-Molscheim. Please note the solider on the left. Hi is holding a lantern of Prussian pattern used in such Turmkanone batteries.

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by nuyt » 19 Feb 2021 22:46

nuyt wrote:
19 Feb 2021 09:22
Looks a lot like the 15cm Versuchshaubitze L12 by Krupp, used by Belgium and Turkey during WW1:
http://landships.info/landships/artille ... bitze.html
Not Belgium, I was confused with the 15cm Krupp 1909 howitzer, that had a similar shield arrangement.

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by nuyt » 21 Feb 2021 23:06

bigger pic the the Ottoman 15cm Krupp
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... witzer.jpg

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 22 Feb 2021 14:41

nuyt wrote
bigger pic the the Ottoman 15cm Krupp
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... witzer.jpg
Hi nuyt,

Note that the howitzer of my image have a much bigger shield. Also the howitzer of my image have a shield with straight borders, instead of presenting a step, like the Turkish howitzer...

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 24 Feb 2021 23:15

Hi all,

I am not sure about this artillery piece. 10cm K14 ??

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by nuyt » 26 Feb 2021 23:17

10 cm Kanone 14 or 17

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 27 Feb 2021 19:56

Thanks, nuyt :wink:

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 28 Feb 2021 09:29

Hi all,

I am not sure about this howitzer: 149mm Obice da 149-12 Krupp-Ansaldo Mod.1918 ??

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by shultz » 01 Mar 2021 14:31

Sturm78 wrote:
28 Feb 2021 09:29
Hi all,

I am not sure about this howitzer: 149mm Obice da 149-12 Krupp-Ansaldo Mod.1918 ??

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Hi, yes it is a M. 1918 .
I add the photos of the three models, with some details :

149-12 Mod. 14 , project Krupp, made only by Vickers-Terni
149-12-14 from a book of ''N. Pignato & F. Cappellano''.jpg
149-12 Mod. 16 , barrel and cradle project Krupp, carriage project Ansaldo and made only by Ansaldo
149-12-16 027104 from ''fondazioneansaldo.it''.jpg
149-12-16 vedi scritta from the NET.jpg
149-12 Mod. 18 , barrel and cradle project Krupp, carriage project Ansaldo (of a new model) and made only by Ansaldo
149-12-18 027735 from ''fondazioneansaldo.it''.jpg
The two howitzers in the background are 105-14-Ansaldo (a model Schneider built in 500 copies but never sent to the front)

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 01 Mar 2021 20:35

Hi Shultz,

Thank you very much for you complete answer...and for the adttional images...
Shultz wrote
The two howitzers in the background are 105-14-Ansaldo (a model Schneider built in 500 copies but never sent to the front)
Do you know the reason why these howitzers were not used operationally, neither in the First nor in Second World War ?

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by karlik » 03 Mar 2021 08:13

shultz wrote:
01 Mar 2021 14:31
from a book of ''N. Pignato & F. Cappellano''.jpg
Regards , Shultz
Hi!
Can you tell me what name has this book of the authors of Nicola Pignato and Filippo Cappellano?
I have books:
Nicola Pignato "Artiglierie e automezzi dell'esercito italiano nella seconda guerra mondiale"
Filippo Cappellano "Le artiglierie del regio esercito nella seconda guerra mondiale"
Unfortunately, I do not know of a book dedicated to the Italian artillery by the authors N. Pignato and F. Cappellano???
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Re: Id. old gun

Post by shultz » 03 Mar 2021 10:47

karlik wrote:
03 Mar 2021 08:13
shultz wrote:
01 Mar 2021 14:31
from a book of ''N. Pignato & F. Cappellano''.jpg
Regards , Shultz
Hi!
Can you tell me what name has this book of the authors of Nicola Pignato and Filippo Cappellano?
I have books:
Nicola Pignato "Artiglierie e automezzi dell'esercito italiano nella seconda guerra mondiale"
Filippo Cappellano "Le artiglierie del regio esercito nella seconda guerra mondiale"
Unfortunately, I do not know of a book dedicated to the Italian artillery by the authors N. Pignato and F. Cappellano???
Best regards!
Hi, here the cover of the book, published in 2005.
IMG_20210303_102413_1.jpg
Regards, Shultz
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Re: Id. old gun

Post by shultz » 03 Mar 2021 11:15

Sturm78 wrote:
01 Mar 2021 20:35
Hi Shultz,

Thank you very much for you complete answer...and for the adttional images...
Shultz wrote
The two howitzers in the background are 105-14-Ansaldo (a model Schneider built in 500 copies but never sent to the front)
Do you know the reason why these howitzers were not used operationally, neither in the First nor in Second World War ?

Regards Sturm78
Hi, there are few “written” news, it seems that Ansaldo, after the Caporetto retreat in 1917, put this howitzer into production without an official written order from the Royal Italian Army. Ansaldo had a collaboration agreement with Schneider, and therefore did not need to study a new howitzer. The army bought the same these weapons which were ready at the end of 1918 (too late for the war). The howitzers were put in stock and were still in "reserve" during World War II. Today, one is visible in the garden of the “Vittoriale”, Gabriele D'Annunzio's house museum.

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by karlik » 03 Mar 2021 11:16

shultz wrote:
03 Mar 2021 10:47
Hi, here the cover of the book, published in 2005.
Regards, Shultz
Thank you!

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