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Russian Artillery pre-WWI

Post by Mike Blake » 12 Mar 2009 19:35

I have tried an archive search but turned up nothing. Can anyone direct me to some illustrations and stats for the guns in use c1900 please? Here is what little I have:

"Until WWI guns for the Russian army were built at Putilov and Obukhov, but lack of production capacity [and the poor performance of some of these guns] meant that some equipment, mainly field howitzers and mountain guns, had to be imported from Schneider and Krupp. In some cases models of the same gun were ordered from both firms at the same time.

Light artillery batteries had the light field cannon M1895 9cwt 3.42” (87mm) Obukhov-Krupp breechloader, range 7000 yards, fired 3 lb powder charge & 15½ lb common shell, rounds carried 1,200. Photos show the forward-facing seats either side of the barrel, with back- and foot-rests, and no shield. Some have buckets under the axles. became the first sample of such a gun. It was worked out to use smokeless powder. It was a transitional model, not fully QF and was called an ‘accelerated fire’ gun. The carriage was designed by A Engelgardt. Mountain batteries had 2cwt 2.5” mountain gun, range about 3,500 yards, fired 8¼ lb shell, rounds carried 720.

Most of the Russian artillery used in the Boxer Uprising was not fully QF, being breechloading but carriage-recoil, requiring the gun to be repositioned after each shot. However in 1900 the 3-inch [76mm] M1900 ‘Putilov’ fieldgun. quick-firing. The gun was designed at the Putilov works in St Petersburg, with involvment from N Zabudskii and A Engelgardt. It had a quick­acting screw breech­block with a locking device, extracting mechanisms and a safety device. The carriage had a pneumatic recoil break and counter-recoil mechanism and a spade. It was this Putilov gun which the Guard Artillery trialled in the field. Range was 6,400 meters, rate of fire 15 rounds per minute, box trail, no shield , with 2 forward facing seats either side of the barrel like the earlier model. Its main drawback was that at 4,145 lbs, it was too heavy for rough terrain.

Carriages and limbers were painted dark apple green with unpainted steel or bronze barrels. Wagons were also painted green, with the name of the unit on the sides."

Were the Cossack artillery armed with anything different?

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Re: Russian Artillery pre-WWI

Post by Borys » 12 Mar 2009 22:47

Ahoj!
Some information and piccies:
http://www.landships.freeservers.com/ne ... illery.htm

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Re: Russian Artillery pre-WWI

Post by Mike Blake » 13 Mar 2009 13:20

Thanks Borys - it had just what I wanted on the 1900 piece. Now all |I need to find is something on the earlier pieces, used by the line and cossack artillery for field and mountain guns.

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Have you seen this?

Post by Dave Bender » 13 Mar 2009 16:28

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... a&start=30
There are some addition to Russian armament stock in 1914 :
Actual figures in July 1914
4,652,0000 x rifles
424,000 x revolvers
4,152 x machine guns
265,500,000 x bullets (altogether)
6,265 x 3 inch (76.2mm) guns with 6,433,000 shells
407 x 3 inch horse artillery
440 x 3 inch mountain guns
88 x 4.2 inch (107mm)howitzer with 22,344 shells
534 x 4.8 inch (122 mm) howitzer with 449,477 shells
173 x 6 inch gun with 99,910 shells

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Re: Russian Artillery pre-WWI

Post by Martti » 13 Mar 2009 23:30

Here is a web page on some of these guns. It focuses on the finnish use of these weapons, but might still be usefull:

http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/ARTILLERY1.htm

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Re: Russian Artillery pre-WWI

Post by Mike Blake » 14 Mar 2009 16:56

Thanks for the replies. The Finnish site is very useful - I will try asking them for further help too.

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Russian Artillery pre-WWI

Post by Kim Sung » 16 Mar 2009 06:37

Mike Blake wrote:"Until WWI guns for the Russian army were built at Putilov and Obukhov,
Anybody has info on specifications of this Russian cannon built at the Obukhov State Plant (Государственный Обуховский Завод) in St. Petersburg in 1899?

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These photos of a Russian cannon were taken by me at the Dongjiguan fortress (東鶏冠要塞) in Lushun last January.

My Trip to Dalian and Lushun
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 2&t=148982

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Re: Russian Artillery pre-WWI

Post by Art » 20 Mar 2009 09:41

Looks like a Canet naval gun (either 120-mm or 152-mm). Both models were produced by the Obukhov plant in 1899.
See the following links:
http://rjw.narod.ru/arms/120_45gunrus.htm
http://rjw.narod.ru/arms/152_45gunrus.htm
http://flot.parus.ru/arms0037.htm
http://flot.parus.ru/arms0043.htm

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Russian Artillery pre-WWI

Post by Kim Sung » 20 Mar 2009 11:07

Спасибо, Арт! (Thank you, Art!)

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Re: Russian Artillery pre-WWI

Post by Mike Blake » 20 Mar 2009 12:19

Can anyone who reads Russian tell me whether either of these guns feature on the website, http://rjw.narod.ru/arms, Al has posted links to please?

light field cannon M1895 3.42” (87mm) Obukhov-Krupp breechloader
3-inch [76mm] M1900 ‘Putilov’ QF fieldgun

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Re: Russian Artillery pre-WWI

Post by Art » 20 Mar 2009 13:39

No, the site is about naval artillery only. And what exactly are you interested in?

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Post by Kim Sung » 20 Mar 2009 17:47

Art wrote:Looks like a Canet naval gun (either 120-mm or 152-mm). Both models were produced by the Obukhov plant in 1899.
Those naval guns were used by the Russian forces during the seige of port Lushun.

Artillery attacks from Russian batteries at Mt. Huangjin (黃金山) and Weidao (威道) against a Japanese blockade operation during the seige of port Lushun

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http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1213045
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Re: Russian Artillery pre-WWI

Post by Mike Blake » 20 Mar 2009 17:57

Art

Info and pictures of these 2 guns, for a book on the Boxer Uprising. I am aiming to have photos of all the weapons used in the book, if at all possible. The text (see 1st post in this thread) describes the artillery - but has now been updated using the information from the Finnish website posted here (many thanks). I have emails them about copies of the photos on their site but had no reply.

All help will be acknowledged in the book, of course.

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Re: Russian Artillery pre-WWI

Post by Art » 21 Mar 2009 13:32

Russian wiki has some photos (interesting that there were taken in the same Finnish museum):
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/76-%D0%BC% ... 0%B4%D0%B0
According to A.Shirokorad ("Enyclopedia of domestic artillery") one battery (3rd battery/Guards artillery battalion) was sent to China in August 1900 and participated in combat actions there firing 389 shots.

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Re: Russian Artillery pre-WWI

Post by Mike Blake » 21 Mar 2009 13:58

Thanks

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