Hungarian artillery tractors

[YAN]

Hi, were the Hungarians lacking motor vehicles for there artillery like the Germans were ?. I guess that most of the artillery in the Infantry Divisions was drawn by horses. but I read somewhere that they used 38.M Raba Botond Trucks to tow some guns and even some Italian tractors for the heavy stuff, can anyone enlighten me further please.
Thanks Yan.

[Alanmccoubrey]

Yan, they were like the Germans, the infantry had horses and the armoured division had motor tows, try Google for their names I'm sure the internet is full of answers.

[YAN]

Thanks Alan.
Yan.

[Bob_Mackenzie]

Hi, were the Hungarians lacking motor vehicles for there artillery like the Germans were ?. I guess that most of the artillery in the Infantry Divisions was drawn by horses. but I read somewhere that they used 38.M Raba Botond Trucks to tow some guns and even some Italian tractors for the heavy stuff, can anyone enlighten me further please.
Thanks Yan.

The Italian tractors were Pavasi P4's IIRC

[David Reasoner]

From my notes, a list of Hungarian artillery tractors complied by Bernad Denes:

"Artillery Tractors and Prime Movers:
Pavesi P4-100 25 M
WM Pavesi P4-100 28 M
Breda 32 32 M
HSCS (Hofherr) KV-40 38 M
HSCS (Hofherr) KV-50 41 M
HSCS (Hofherr) Super KV-50 Prototype
Krupp-Protze L2 H143 6x4 (Kfz. 69) 37 M
MWG T 41M Bakony prototype 41 M
Hansa-Loyd SdKfz. 11 37 M
Uhry–Hansa-Lloyd HK-5 43 M
FAMO 1 44 M
Steyer RSO 44 M
Stalinets S-60 (ex-Soviet, captured)"

HSCS stood for Hofherr es Schranc/Clayton & Shuttleworth. These were derived from agricultural tractors and were powered by horizontal single-cylinder semi-diesel engines (similar to the German Lanz Bulldog). There was also a half-track development of the HSCS KV50L tractor in 1944, this may be the Super KV-50 in the above list. The Rába Maros (K-3) 43 M 4x4 prime mover should also be included in the list.

David

[Bob_Mackenzie]

There was also a half-track development of the HSCS KV50L tractor in 1944

Hi David

I was under the impression that the half track KV-50 actually entered service?

Cheers

Bob

[David Reasoner]

There was also a half-track development of the HSCS KV50L tractor in 1944

Hi David

I was under the impression that the half track KV-50 actually entered service?

Cheers

Bob

It's listed in Vanderveen's Historic Military Vehicles Directory, so was likely more than just a prototype development. Unfortunately, Vanderveen merely says it was produced in 1944 without giving any indication of numbers built. The Super KV-50 in Bernad's list may well be a different vehicle entirely. The entry in Vanderveen also refers to a previous 1930's fully-tracked version, the HSCS L-30-35, which he says was in service but no numbers are given for it either.

David

Edit: a quick bit of Googling antique tractor websites produced a couple of items of interest:

1.) Vanderveen's rendering of HSCS is incorrect; it actually stood for Hofherr, Schrantz, Clayton & Shuttleworth.

2.) The full-track L-30-35 was presumably a slightly more powerful version of the L-25 crawler tractor seen here:

http://www.hscs-tractors.com/bilderordn ... 934_gr.jpg

[Bob_Mackenzie]

Thanks David

[YAN]

David, the list what you added, the vehicle name and number have a 3 digit nimber at the end see below,
Krupp-Protze L2 H143 6x4 (Kfz. 69) 37 M, was the 37 M what weapon the vehicle towed or just the vehicles name ?.
because the Hungarians gave all there weapons this type of name example the 105mm 37M Howitzer.
Thanks Yan.

[David Reasoner]

David, the list what you added, the vehicle name and number have a 3 digit nimber at the end see below,
Krupp-Protze L2 H143 6x4 (Kfz. 69) 37 M, was the 37 M what weapon the vehicle towed or just the vehicles name ?.
because the Hungarians gave all there weapons this type of name example the 105mm 37M Howitzer.
Thanks Yan.

YAN, it is the Honved designation for the vehicle in question, and has nothing whatsoever to do with what weapons the vehicle may have towed. Nearly all Hungarian military equipment has such designations, usually the digits in the numeric portion denote the year the equipment was first adopted for Honved service.

David

[YAN]

Thanks David, I knew that they gave the weapons a year with the M at the end but not the vehicles, I will take note of that for the future.
Yan.