New excavation - 101v bunker

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New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by Stp Corbiere » 23 Sep 2009 16:36

Work has started on the excavation of a type 101v bunker @ noirmont in jersey, it is not going to be a quick excavation as it has to be done by hand (well shovels and buckets)

I will post some pics very soon but for those of you that can't wait please look at our website http://www.ciosjersey.org.uk/news.htm

As you will see in the pictures there is more fantastic jersey granite that has been used and most of the camo netting hooks are still in place.

Many thanks

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Re: New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by division azul » 23 Sep 2009 19:02

keep it going :D ,if i would live nearby i would help out but unfortunately i dont,so i'll just wait for an update

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Re: New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by kstdk » 23 Sep 2009 19:32

Hi Kevin

Cant wait to see "the real photos" :D

What do you expect to find? What was the use of the bunker then?

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Re: New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by SES » 23 Sep 2009 20:34

Stp Corbiere wrote:Work has started on the excavation of a type 101v bunker @ noirmont in jersey, it is not going to be a quick excavation as it has to be done by hand (well shovels and buckets)

I will post some pics very soon but for those of you that can't wait please look at our website http://www.ciosjersey.org.uk/news.htm

As you will see in the pictures there is more fantastic jersey granite that has been used and most of the camo netting hooks are still in place.

Many thanks

kevin
Hi Kevin,
A tremendous job you guys are doing.
If you'll forgive a little nit-picking. You depict a Fl 242 commandbunker, surely you mean a 241.
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Re: New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by Stp Corbiere » 24 Sep 2009 09:17

kstdk wrote:Hi Kevin

Cant wait to see "the real photos" :D

What do you expect to find? What was the use of the bunker then?

Regards
Kurt
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hi Kurt

Well this bunker has been sealed up for over 60 years, the scrapmen could not strip it out being that it was sealed up. It was used as a personnal bunker as for the type I have been told it's a early west wall v101 but hey I could be wrong

We do have a list of rumors of what lies inside, the best one we have heard that this bunker is an entrance to an underground u-boat bunker

Any way if any one has info on this bunker type or if it is a 242/241 please let ms know

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Re: New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by SES » 24 Sep 2009 09:34

Hi Kenvin,
AFl 242 is a humble Flak bunker a la L 409A, the Fl 241 is a commandbunker, the one depicted certainly looks like the latter.
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Re: New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by kstdk » 24 Sep 2009 10:37

Hello Kevin and SES

The bunker we are talking about is:

"FL242 V. Naval Flak Brigade Command Bunker at St. Marc-sur-Mer" - right?

The Flakcommand bunker at St. Marc-sur-Mer / St. Nazaire IS a FL250 :)

It was the command bunker for the main flakbatteries around St. Nazaire.

Quote:

"The main commandpost of V. Marine Flak Brigade at St Marc was housed in a Fl 250, a so called "Flakgruppenkommandostand". The Flak batteries were manned by four Marine Flakabteilungen (Navy AA-battalions):
-- 703, La Vecquerie,
-- 705, Montoir de Bretagne,
-- 809, St Brévin,
-- 820, St Nazaire city, at the school in St Louis.

The light AA battalion 820 had small caliber guns and were spread out over the entire area. Each other heavy battalion had a searchlight battery. Searchlights were placed at a distance of approx 3 km from the main batteries.
The datasheet gives a review on organisation, armament, location and codenames.
A total of 72 anti-aircraftguns with a caliber of 10,5 or 12,8 cm were placed in the Festung St Nazaire."

Unquote.

From: http://bunkersite.com/

NB: Go for France - St. Nazaire - Airdefence - St. Marc.

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Re: New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by kstdk » 24 Sep 2009 10:49

Hello Kevin

The above not for stealing your post - just for clarification - if thats the bunker!

Cant wait to see your pictures as the work progress 8-)

By the way - there is a R101v (SK) in the Westwall at Überhofen - i have asked around, lets se what comes back!!

See: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=90644

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Re: New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by SES » 24 Sep 2009 10:50

Hi Kurt,
I'll bet a great piece of Salami that 242 is a Typo. As you yourself very well know 242 is a Flak, not a command bunker. Just check Rudi Rolf p. 297 and 135.
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Re: New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by kstdk » 24 Sep 2009 10:55

Hello SES

If you read my post "very carefully - I only say this once" :)

I agree Fl242 is a "typo" - Its a Fl250.
SES wrote:Hi Kurt,
I'll bet a great piece of Salami that 242 is a Typo. As you yourself very well know 242 is a Flak, not a command bunker. Just check Rudi Rolf p. 297 and 135.
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Re: New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by SES » 24 Sep 2009 10:58

OK 250 not 242, my point was that the caption was wrong.
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Re: New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by patrick fleuridas » 01 Oct 2009 16:50

Hello

"The Flakcommand bunker at St. Marc-sur-Mer / St. Nazaire IS a FL250 :) >>>>>>>>>>>> Nz 304

It was the command bunker for the main flakbatteries around St. Nazaire.

Quote:

"The main commandpost of V. Marine Flak Brigade at St Marc was housed in a Fl 250, a so called "Flakgruppenkommandostand". The Flak batteries were manned by four Marine Flakabteilungen (Navy AA-battalions):
-- 703, La Vecquerie,>>>>>>>>>>> FL 241 at Nz 351
-- 705, Montoir de Bretagne,>>>>>> FL 241 at Nz 328 Montoir, and Fl 241 at Nz 365 grand Marsac ( west from Montoir)
-- 809, St Brévin,>>>>>>>>>>> FL 241 at Nz 343
-- 820, St Nazaire city, at the school in St Louis.>>>>>>> SK

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Re: New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by SES » 01 Oct 2009 17:00

Thanks Patrick,
My whole point was to try and point out that the caption:

FL242 V. Naval Flak Brigade Command Bunker at St. Marc-sur-Mer

to the picture in in the link in the first post above is incorrect.
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Re: New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by M19 MADMAL » 03 Nov 2009 12:33

Hi,

Some photos of the excavation.

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Re: New excavation - 101v bunker

Post by M19 MADMAL » 03 Nov 2009 12:39

Hi,

A couple more. The entrance trench walls a lined in granite and the back of the trench has been converted into a small room with the foot prints of the surporting brick columbs for the roof visible.

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