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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by jopaerya » 13 Jun 2012 19:31

Here a picture of the 2 cm M.G. C/30 or 38 in Doppellafette L.M. 43 from Ebay

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P.S. see also page 9 of this Topic
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by vladalex » 16 Jun 2012 18:53

Hello to all,
In the book of Patrick Toussaint & Allain Chazette - Les pieces de 10,5 cm S.K.C/32 et S.K.C/33 de la Kriegsmarine - at page number 10, I read that all this artilery pieces have optical sight system " zielfernrohr B.Z.C/2 reflex".
I take a little look at this system on the http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ and now, post a relevant pictures of
the B.Z.C/2 reflex system .
First to remark for anyone who examine this type of guns : this 3 category have different type of optics , one type on MPLC/32 , another total different type for MPLC/30/30D and finally another type for MPLC/32gE .
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by vladalex » 16 Jun 2012 19:17

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Now look at a picture from AHF forum about 10,5 cm S.K.C/32n.S. in 10,5 cm M.P.L.C/32g.E., at the optical system .
Is easy to observe that no common points with with B.Z.C/2 pentaprism system . From the picture we can conclude that optical system of the gun looks like an D.F.10x80 cxn , with additional lenses attached for long distance aiming, worked by Zeiss for Kriegsmarine . It looks like ..., but can anyone to help me on this problem ?
To continue, the optical system for MPLC/30/30D is composed from a single telescope Aldis type on left and right side of the gun, in another words, no B.Z.C/2 reflex system .
I need help to clarify this problem .
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by vladalex » 16 Jun 2012 19:36

For 10,5 cm SKC/32L/nL systems optics is like in the following images, but don't know the type .
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by jopaerya » 16 Jun 2012 19:41

Hello VladAlex

I found this name in a document about the 10.5 cm S.K.C/32 L in 8,8 cm M.P.L/30 D had a A.Z.schr. E.C/6 .

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by vladalex » 16 Jun 2012 19:44

Hello Jos,
Thank you for your very quick reaction .
I will verify data received from you.
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by jopaerya » 20 Jun 2012 14:08

Hello

Here a nice view on the side of a naval ship ( Deutschland ?? ) with 2 x 15 cm S.K.C/28 turrets and a twin A.A.

Picture = Ebay

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by jopaerya » 22 Jun 2012 19:12

Does somebody know if this photocaptions is right , a coast gun in a turret at the German bucht .

Photo = Ebay

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Janef » 22 Jun 2012 21:28

jopaerya wrote:Does somebody know if this photocaptions is right , a coast gun in a turret at the German bucht .

Photo = Ebay

Regards Jos
Might be correct - looks like inside the turret of a 17 cm SKL/40 in Drh.L.C/01 - possibly Battr Jacobsen at Heligoland.

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by jopaerya » 23 Jun 2012 08:04

Thanks JEF

That is a realy good option , I was fooled by the extra parts of the Drh.L.C/01 on top of the barrel .

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Manuferey » 23 Jun 2012 13:10

Here is another German propaganda picture of MKB Jacobsen (identified by Jos) and its 17 cm guns :
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by jopaerya » 03 Jul 2012 15:25

Hello

Looks to me a Scandinavian naval gun , maybe a Bofors ??

Photo = Ebay

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by jopaerya » 03 Jul 2012 15:34

If I have a little patience ,could it be the Swedisch destroyer Ehrenskold
with a 120 mm L/45 Bofors ( Naval weapons of W.W. II page 392 )

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by vladalex » 10 Jul 2012 10:55

jopaerya wrote:Hello VladAlex

I found this name in a document about the 10.5 cm S.K.C/32 L in 8,8 cm M.P.L/30 D had a A.Z.schr. E.C/6 .

Regards Jos

Hello Jos,
Thank you again for this information.
After verifying data's received from you, I have conclusions that : optical data from the book of Patrick Toussaint & Allain Chazette - Les pieces de 10,5 cm S.K.C/32 et S.K.C/33 de la Kriegsmarine, that refer to the 10,5 cm SK C/32 gun familly is false.
Optical systems used on 10,5 cm SK C/32 gun familly was the following :
1. For 10,5 cm S.K. C/32 in 10,5 cm Ubts.L.C/32 / C/36 ---------> P.Ubts.Z1, that means Pankratisches U-Boot-Zielfernrohr 1 mit seitlichem Einblick, 90° angle of sighting versus telescope axis, enlargement power x5 to x15, till 15 atm water working pressure, weight 7 kg, built by Carl Zeiss-Jena.
2. For 10,5 cm S.K. C/32 in 10,5 cm M.P.L. C/32 ---------> A.Z.Schr.E.7, that means Abnehmbares Zielfernrohr mit schrägem Einblick 7, monocular scope with 45°pentaprism for sighting view, enlargement power x5 to x10, views angle of the telescope 14° and 7°, eyes focal lenses for pupille 8mm and 4mm, weight 4,8 kg, built by Carl Zeiss-Jena.
3. For 8,8 cm S.K. C/30, 10,5 cm S.K. C/32, 10,5 cm S.K. C/32L. in 8,8 cm M.P.L. C/30, C/30D --------->A.Z.Schr.E.C/6,that means Abnehmbares Zielfernrohr mit schrägem Einblick C/6 , monocular scope with 45°pentaprism for sighting view, enlargement power x5 , view angle of the telescope 14°, focal lenses for pupille 7mm, weight 3 kg, built by Carl Zeiss-Jena.
4. For 10,5 cm S.K. C/32n.S. in 10,5 cm M.P.L. C/32g.E. --------->B.Z.Schr.E.C/1,that means Binokulares Zielfernrohr mit schrägem Einblick C/1 , binocular scopes with 45°pentaprism for sighting view, enlargement power x5 to x10 , view angles of the telescopes 7°and 14°, focal lenses for pupille 7mm, weight 11 kg, built by Carl Zeiss-Jena.
5. For 10,5 cm S.K. C/33 family --------->B.W.C/1, that means Binokulares Winkelzielfernrohr C/1 , ....., weight 40 kg, built by Carl Zeiss-Jena.
6. For 12,7 cm S.K. C/34 in 12,7 cm M.P.L. C/34 --------->P.Ubts.Z2,that means Pankratisches U-Boot-Zielfernrohr 2, weight 6,7 kg, built by Carl Zeiss-Jena.
7. For 15 cm K. C/36 in 15 cm M.P.L. C/28 --------->P.Ubts.Z2, .... , weight 6,7 kg, built by Carl Zeiss-Jena.
8. For 15 cm K. C/36 in 15 cm M.P.L. C/36 ---------> B.Z.C/2, that means Binokulares Zielfernrohr C/2, weight 13 kg or 15,3 kg, built by Carl Zeiss-Jena.

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by AvB » 10 Jul 2012 11:51

28 cm SK L/50 of Graf Spee?

Images from a nice photo album on ebay.
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