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Re: Finnish Navy photos

Post by CanKiwi2 » 05 Mar 2011 17:40

Civilians and crew members on coastal defence ship watch as torpedo boats pass by during the public battle demonstration by Finnish Navy. September 5, 1938.

An explanation with the photo says that it is one of the two Italian-built Sisu class boats - Sisu or Hurja. The vessels were constructed in 1917 by the Orlando shipyard in Livorno, Italy. Sisu and Hurja were purchased by the Finns in 1922, and saw service in World War II. As can be seen form the photo, when dashing forward at full speed, the vessels sprayed water high in the air, earning the nickname "the fountains" from Finnish sailors.

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Commodore Rahola presenting the situation of the battle demonstration to the Army Major General Väinö Valve. September 5, 1938. A note with the photo says that Valve was trained as a jäger but later studied naval warfare for many years. He was the commander of the Finnish Navy from 1933 to 1944. Before that he served 9 years as commander of coastal artillery.

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Väinö Lahja Rikhard Valve(1895–1995) was a Finnish jaeger general and was the last living one of the first Finnish jaegers. He fought in WWI in German eastern front and later in the Finnish Civil War of 1918. Valve remained in military career and commanded a Heavy Artillery Regiment 1919-1924, and then served as commander of Coastal Artillery in 1924-1933. He was then made the commander of the Finnish Navy, and he served in that job untill 1944. After that he was the minister of defence 1944-'45.
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Re: Finnish Navy

Post by CanKiwi2 » 05 Mar 2011 17:59

Storm Boat on Lake Ladoga. Any idea what sort of boat this is and what type of motor it uses, specifications, etc?

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Re: Finnish Navy

Post by Vaeltaja » 05 Mar 2011 18:53

From the pictures you posted

1) Submarines in Bärösund (a narrow gap near Hanko - Google Maps link).

2) Naval smoke screen test - seemingly using the smoke generating chemical buoy.

3) Submarine "Vesikko"

4) Navy in Lappohja (important anchorage for the Navy near Hanko - Google Maps link)

5) Some of the Navy in port of Hanko

6) Russian destroyer Okt. Revol. (apparent missclassification of Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya as it was a battleship)

7) Torpedotrail (or torpedo wake trail)

8) Torpedotrails (or torpedo wake trails)

EDIT: For the sturmboot/syöksyvene... http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9#p1055209 seems to have some info...

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Re: Finnish Navy

Post by Mangrove » 05 Mar 2011 19:09

The same photographs and some more from my post to different forum few years ago.
http://www.fcbsweb.com/forum/index.php?topic=11629.0
CanKiwi2 wrote:Wondered if anyone could supply any more information about these rather interesting photos?
Vaeltaja wrote:6) Russian destroyer Okt. Revol. (apparent missclassification of Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya as it was a battleship)
It should be read as "Russian destroyer & Okt. Revol."

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Re: Finnish Navy

Post by Vaeltaja » 05 Mar 2011 19:17

Ah.. that explains it... i wondered why it had been written in such manner.

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Re: Finnish Navy

Post by CanKiwi2 » 07 Mar 2011 14:22

Thx for that link Martti, great photos!

And thx for the translation Vaeltaja, I was really struggling with those. Worked out some of it but .......

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Re: Finnish Navy

Post by igorr » 09 Mar 2011 04:05

CanKiwi2 wrote:Storm Boat on Lake Ladoga. Any idea what sort of boat this is and what type of motor it uses, specifications, etc?
Leichtes Sturmboot 39, 492 kg displacement, 5.98 meter (8.5 with motor). Engine was either Kovacs Otto, either FMA Otto. Other types used too. 30 ehp. Speed 13.5 knots. Can carry 6 mens or 1 heavy mortair + 4 mens.

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Re: Finnish Navy

Post by JTV » 09 Mar 2011 05:37

igorr wrote:
CanKiwi2 wrote:Storm Boat on Lake Ladoga. Any idea what sort of boat this is and what type of motor it uses, specifications, etc?
Leichtes Sturmboot 39, 492 kg displacement, 5.98 meter (8.5 with motor). Engine was either Kovacs Otto, either FMA Otto. Other types used too. 30 ehp. Speed 13.5 knots. Can carry 6 mens or 1 heavy mortair + 4 mens.
The boat under discussion is not a German boat, but a Finnish one. These were build in Finland by several manufacturers and were based to Hungarian design, to which the Finns made slight changes. Engine in this boat is also Kovacks (large number of which Finland bought from Hungary), but otherwise the specifications are not quite the same as in German one.

You can find the exact specifications of this Finnish boat from this earlier discussion, for which Vaeltaja also already provided the link:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9#p1055209

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Re: Finnish Navy

Post by Vaeltaja » 09 Mar 2011 07:53

Only minor note... AFAIK neither those barges nor the sturmboots belonged to Navy...

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Re: Finnish Navy

Post by JTV » 09 Mar 2011 10:36

Vaeltaja wrote:AFAIK neither those barges nor the sturmboots belonged to Navy...
Yep, Army operated both barges and sturmboots - to be specific the units operating them belonged to Army engineers (/sappers).

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Re: Finnish Navy

Post by igorr » 15 Mar 2011 03:41

Boat on photo looks exactly like German sturmboot 39, which was taken from hungarian design too. Maybe them was same as finnish boats?

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Re: Finnish Navy

Post by Juha Tompuri » 15 Mar 2011 06:47

I think it might actualy be a German sturmboot.
IIRC if haven't seen Finnish boats with such camouflage.
Nigel, whay isthe source of the photo?

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Re: Finnish Navy

Post by CanKiwi2 » 15 Mar 2011 13:34

Juha Tompuri wrote:I think it might actualy be a German sturmboot.
IIRC if haven't seen Finnish boats with such camouflage.
Nigel, whay isthe source of the photo?

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Here's the link to where I picked the photos up from originally:
http://www.ww2incolor.com/finnish_force ... adoga.html

But I believe this may be the original source:
http://www.allworldwars.com/Allen%20Gew ... 01942.html

And here's the photos with the captions from the site. It was a German publication from the look of it, with quite a few mentions and photos of the different forces fighting with the Germans - Romanians, Slovaks and Finns.

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On July 13th Finnish armed forces line up on both sides of Lake Ladoga preparing for the attack - storm boat on Lake Ladoga

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Finnish storm boats cross a forest lake under the hostile artillery fire

But also, this one was in the same publication and looks to be identical to the one labeled above as on Lake Ladoga - so maybe it was a German Storm Boat but just captioned as "Finnish".
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Storm boats in the attack on Dago which is taken on the 20th October. Thus the Baltic is completely liberated from the enemy
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Re: Finnish Navy

Post by CanKiwi2 » 16 Jun 2013 09:15

A new question on naval ranks vs ships.

For the Ilmarinen and Väinämöinen, what were the Finnish Naval Ranks of the commanding officers? And is there anything on the structure of the crews (eg #'s of officers and their responsibilities, and the same for Petty Officers and men).

For smaller naval ships, what naval rank would the commander of smaller ships be - e.g. Destroyers, Submarines, anti-submarine ships, minelayers, torpedo boats, etc.

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Re: Finnish Navy

Post by Vaeltaja » 16 Jun 2013 11:36

Ranks of the commanding officers (and most of the other officers) in the Finnish Navy in mid 1941. See: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 6&start=15

Winter War period listing marks the Commander A. Raninen as the commanding officer of Väinämöinen and as Commander R. Göransson as that of Ilmarinen.

Designed crew complement of the coastal defense ships was originally 329 but it was increased during the war. Ilmarinen had complement (including couple of 'additionals') of 403 when she sank and Väinämöinen had complement of 388 later on. Hopefully some can add information to this.

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