Czechoslovakia paratroopers STG44

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Czechoslovakia paratroopers STG44

Post by Armeiro » 30 Nov 2009 23:52

Czechoslovakia paratroopers STG44,post war.
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Post by Ingsoc75 » 02 Dec 2009 13:34

Nice find!!

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Post by dect » 03 Dec 2009 14:45

Awesome pics, thanks. By the way- correct me if I'm wrong but aren't some of them wearing loads of ex German equipment?

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Re: Czechoslovakia paratroopers STG44

Post by dect » 03 Dec 2009 16:41

I wasn't sure if that's MP44 as well :)

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 03 Dec 2009 18:41

Yugoslavian paratroopers (in use to 1983?)
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Post by mikerock » 04 Dec 2009 03:50

The last photo is of Canadian peacekeepers in the former Yugoslavia.

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 04 Dec 2009 08:24

mikerock wrote:The last photo is of Canadian peacekeepers in the former Yugoslavia.
Thanks for clarification.
Confiscated weapons at the photo?

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Re: Czechoslovakia paratroopers STG44

Post by The Edge » 04 Dec 2009 09:39

Probably - Yugoslav AK clone (M-70) & Scorpion (M-84), with & without silencer. All sides used HK-5 (ex-police SWAT armament of Yugoslav republics), but the UZI was characteristic for Croatians (SMG at the bottom left looks like KG-9).(That Thompson M.28 with drum is puzzling... Ex-Yu Army had a number of Thomsons in their storages (mainly M1 variant), but I thought the drums were discarded in late 1960s. :roll: )

So, weapons confiscated from Croat forces in Bosnia - my guess.

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Post by dect » 04 Dec 2009 10:58

The Edge wrote:Probably - Yugoslav AK clone (M-70) & Scorpion (M-84), with & without silencer. All sides used HK-5 (ex-police SWAT armament of Yugoslav republics), but the UZI was characteristic for Croatians (SMG at the bottom left looks like KG-9).(That Thompson M.28 with drum is puzzling... Ex-Yu Army had a number of Thomsons in their storages (mainly M1 variant), but I thought the drums were discarded in late 1960s. :roll: )

So, weapons confiscated from Croat forces in Bosnia - my guess.


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Are MP44s quite common among the collectors in former Yugoslavia? I reckon that this country got the most of them after the war, stored them in TRZs ('Tehnički Remontni Zavod', the city of Čačak for sure) and used extensively. Maybe you can contact theses guys here http://www.trzcacak.rs/en/contact.html and ask them about the MP44's they used to store.

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Post by The Edge » 04 Dec 2009 11:25

dect wrote: Edge,
Are MP44s quite common among the collectors in former Yugoslavia? I reckon that this country got the most of them after the war, stored them in TRZs ('Tehnički Remontni Zavod', the city of Čačak for sure) and used extensively. Maybe you can contact theses guys here http://www.trzcacak.rs/en/contact.html and ask them about the MP44's they used to store.


I'm not sure for the rest of Yugoslavia, but Laws in Serbia are rather strict for "collecting" such items. Yugoslav Army used tens of thousands of MP-44 (mainly donated by USSR, 1946-47), until the 1970s. First placed in reserve, they were offered for sale later (Libya is often mentioned as prime purchaser), but not for civilan users. Some number lingered in storages, small number of them used during 1990s wars. MP-44s in Serbian inventory are collected and - according to my friend in the army - sent to furnace. (He haven't a guts to "acquire" one for himself; only took magazine bag & magazines, plus box of ammo - all later sold to local "collectors" and I got one round too.)
It is not impossible that some of Serbian MP-44s are still alive & available for sale to collectors, but I believe you have the wrong contact - TRZ is not licensed for selling firearms.

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Re: Czechoslovakia paratroopers STG44

Post by dect » 04 Dec 2009 17:21

The Edge wrote:
dect wrote: Edge,
Are MP44s quite common among the collectors in former Yugoslavia? I reckon that this country got the most of them after the war, stored them in TRZs ('Tehnički Remontni Zavod', the city of Čačak for sure) and used extensively. Maybe you can contact theses guys here http://www.trzcacak.rs/en/contact.html and ask them about the MP44's they used to store.


I'm not sure for the rest of Yugoslavia, but Laws in Serbia are rather strict for "collecting" such items. Yugoslav Army used tens of thousands of MP-44 (mainly donated by USSR, 1946-47), until the 1970s. First placed in reserve, they were offered for sale later (Libya is often mentioned as prime purchaser), but not for civilan users. Some number lingered in storages, small number of them used during 1990s wars. MP-44s in Serbian inventory are collected and - according to my friend in the army - sent to furnace. (He haven't a guts to "acquire" one for himself; only took magazine bag & magazines, plus box of ammo - all later sold to local "collectors" and I got one round too.)
It is not impossible that some of Serbian MP-44s are still alive & available for sale to collectors, but I believe you have the wrong contact - TRZ is not licensed for selling firearms.

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Thanks! I don't want to buy a live one, especially from abroad. Gun laws in Poland are pain in the a$$ so the only real option is a deactivated one.

What I know about TRZ in Čačak is that MP44s were put there for a long term storage and marked with TRZ1 (1 was assigned to Čačak) on the buttstock.

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Re: Czechoslovakia paratroopers STG44

Post by The Edge » 07 Dec 2009 08:42

dect wrote:What I know about TRZ in Čačak is that MP44s were put there for a long term storage and marked with TRZ1 (1 was assigned to Čačak) on the buttstock.

Interesting info - thanks! :)

About the my example of MP-44 ammo (I got a PM regarding it), see photo below:
Up / Down: aux / 44
Left / Right: St / 30
(aux = Polte-Werk, Magdeburg) Unfortunately, not Yugo-made one. :(
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Re: Czechoslovakia paratroopers STG44

Post by MT-LB » 07 Dec 2009 12:10

Thanks a lot for the info on the ammo used, guess I don't have to mention that you keep us informed if you find any other headstamp - specially Yugoslav manufactured ones from the time.
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Post by The Edge » 07 Dec 2009 12:32

MT-LB wrote:Thanks a lot for the info on the ammo used, guess I don't have to mention that you keep us informed if you find any other headstamp - specially Yugoslav manufactured ones from the time.
Erik


It's a promise - I'm interesting in this subject too. :)

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