8.8cm HE PROJECTILES

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8.8cm HE PROJECTILES

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Post by WAKEN » 12 Jan 2010, 13:54

The data below is copied from another website. The figures are for total weight and HE filler weight in pounds

88mm 21.0 2.2 Sprgr.43
88mm 20.5 2.0 Sprgr.L/4.5
88mm 20.4 1.9 Sprgr.Patr
88mm 21.0 2.0 Sprgr.L/4.5

Are these ammo types fired by all 88mm guns (KwK 36, KwK 43, PaK 43/41, FlaK 18/36/37/41)?

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Post by Zünder » 12 Jan 2010, 16:18

Question, what does "21.0 2.2" mean ?



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Re: 8.8cm HE PROJECTILES

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Post by dvzhuk » 12 Jan 2010, 16:56

Hello WAKEN,
WAKEN wrote:Are these ammo types fired by all 88mm guns (KwK 36, KwK 43, PaK 43/41, FlaK 18/36/37/41)?
No. The rounds for Pak and Kwk have case length 822.1 mm, when for Flak case length is 570 mm.
Sprgr. 43 and Sprgr.Flak. 41 are for Pak/Kwk, Sprgr.L/4.5 is for Flak.

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Post by dvzhuk » 12 Jan 2010, 16:58

dvzhuk wrote:Hello WAKEN,
WAKEN wrote:Are these ammo types fired by all 88mm guns (KwK 36, KwK 43, PaK 43/41, FlaK 18/36/37/41)?
No. Rounds for Pak and Kwk have case length 822.1 mm, when for Flak case length is 570 mm.
Sprgr. 43 and Sprgr.Flak. 41 are for Pak/Kwk, Sprgr.L/4.5 is for Flak.

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Post by WAKEN » 12 Jan 2010, 18:09

21.0 is the weight of the projectile in pounds and 2.2 is the weight of the explosive filler, again in pounds.

So the Sprgr.L/4.5 are just for the flak guns but the Sprgr.43 and the Sprgr.Patr can be fired by the PaK 43/41, KwK 36 or KwK 43. Have I got that right?

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Post by dvzhuk » 12 Jan 2010, 18:20

Yes, you are right.

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Post by Zünder » 12 Jan 2010, 18:25

WAKEN wrote:21.0 is the weight of the projectile in pounds and 2.2 is the weight of the explosive filler, again in pounds.

So the Sprgr.L/4.5 are just for the flak guns but the Sprgr.43 and the Sprgr.Patr can be fired by the PaK 43/41, KwK 36 or KwK 43. Have I got that right?

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Oh i see..

No, 8,8 cm Spgr. L/4.5 Kz was initially also used on Kw.K. 43/Pak. 43 ammunition and i think also on 8,8 cm Flak 41.
The shell did not function properly (instability during flight) in both guns and was rapidly replaced with an altered version (wider drivingbands) of the 8,8 cm Spgr. Flak 41, renamed 8,8 cm Spgr. 43.
Furthermore, 8,8 cm Spgr. L/4,5 Kz was also used in 8,8 cm kw.K. 36 and various navy models.

8,8 cm Spgr. 43 was only used on 8,8 cm Kw.K. 43 and Pak. 43 ammunition.
8,8 cm Spgr. Flak 41 was only used on 8,8 cm Flak 41 ammunition.

There's no such thing as a 8,8 cm Spgr.Patr., it's an incomplete term describing a 8,8 cm HE round (8,8 cm Sprenggranatpatrone) of some sort, correct term for instance would be : "8,8 cm Spgr. Patr. Kw.K. 43" or "8,8 cm Spgr. Patr. 43 Kw.K. 43" or "8,8 cm Spgr.Patr. L/4,5 Kz".


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Re: 8.8cm HE PROJECTILES

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Post by WAKEN » 13 Jan 2010, 01:23

Thanks guys. Do you have the weight in Kg for the explosive filler in the 8,8 cm Spgr. 43 and the 8,8 cm Spgr. L/4,5 Kz?

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Post by WAKEN » 13 Jan 2010, 18:05

Do you have the weight in Kg for the explosive filler in the 8,8 cm Spgr. 43 and the 8,8 cm Spgr. L/4,5 Kz as the weight in pounds looks like its been rounded?

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Post by dvzhuk » 13 Jan 2010, 18:40

Hello Neil,

For 8.8cm Sprgr. L/4.5 it is 0.698 kg:
Sprgldg_8_8SprgrL45.gif
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But this value is valid only for explosive No.1 — pressed TNT. For cast TNT (explosive No.14) it should be 0.900 kg.

For 8.8cm Sprgr.43 weight of explosive is 1.0 kg for either explosive No.14 or No. 13 (amatol 40/60).

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Post by WAKEN » 14 Jan 2010, 00:53

Denis,

You are extremely kind providing me with all this data. Can I ask a couple more please: :D

15cm StuH 43/L12 weight of explosive filler in the HE projectile
7.5cm PaK 40 weight of explosive filler in the HE projectile
4.2cm PaK 41 weight of explosive filler in the HE projectile (I'm not sure that there was an HE round for this)
15cm Nebelwerfer I have explosive filler as 2.4kg, is this correct?
21cm Nebelwerfer I have explosive filler as 38.6kg, is this correct?
28/32cm Nebelwerfer I have explosive filler in the HE rocket as 50.2kg, is this correct?
30cm Nebelwerfer I have explosive filler as 45kg, is this correct?
7.5cm KwK 40 I have explosive filler in the HE projectile as 0.853kg, is this correct?
7.5cm KwK 42 I have explosive filler in the HE projectile as 0.635kg, is this correct?

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Post by dvzhuk » 14 Jan 2010, 17:37

Hello Neil,
WAKEN wrote:4.2cm PaK 41 weight of explosive filler in the HE projectile (I'm not sure that there was an HE round for this)
It was the easiest part of the question :D
Weight of explosive in 4.2cm Sprgr. 41 is about 0.025 kg:
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The rest of mentioned shells will be ready in some hours, I hope :wink:

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Post by dvzhuk » 14 Jan 2010, 23:25

Hello Neil,

Below is what I found on your question.
7.5cm KwK 42 I have explosive filler in the HE projectile as 0.635kg, is this correct?
Yes, 7.5 cm Sprgr.42 has 0.600 kg of secondary explosive + 0.035 kg in primer charge.
7.5cm KwK 40 I have explosive filler in the HE projectile as 0.853kg, is this correct?
Probably, no.
7.5cm Sprgr.34 has 0.680 kg of secondary explosive + 0.035 kg in primer charge. The same is used for 7.5cm PaK 40.
15cm Nebelwerfer I have explosive filler as 2.4kg, is this correct?
21cm Nebelwerfer I have explosive filler as 38.6kg, is this correct?
28/32cm Nebelwerfer I have explosive filler in the HE rocket as 50.2kg, is this correct?
30cm Nebelwerfer I have explosive filler as 45kg, is this correct?
For Nebelwerfers I have no German data, but Russian reference book on German ammunition.
15cm Wgr. 41 Spr. has 2 kg of explosive.
21cm Wgr. 42 Spr. has 9.85 kg of explosive.
28cm WK. Spr. has 50 kg of explosive.
30cm WK. 42/B and 30cm WK. 4491/B both have 44.5 kg of explosive.
32cm WK. (M) FL. has 50 liter of oil or kerosene + 0.645 kg of ignition charge + 0.975 kg of explosive charge.
15cm StuH 43/L12 weight of explosive filler in the HE projectile
This one I couldn't recognize. Any idea on the index of projectile?

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Re: 8.8cm HE PROJECTILES

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Post by WAKEN » 14 Jan 2010, 23:53

Denis,

Fantastic! Thanks very much :D . I found this on the 15cm StuH 43 http://www.battlefront.com/community/ar ... 52924.html

One more for you: what was the weight of explosive filling in the mortar bomb fired by the 10.5cm NbW 35?

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Post by dvzhuk » 15 Jan 2010, 18:56

Hello Neil,
Thanks for your link — I simply forgot about these Sturmpanzers :oops:
15cm StuH 43/L12 weight of explosive filler in the HE projectile
15cm Igr.38 has about 8.600 kg of explosive:
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weight of explosive filling in the mortar bomb fired by the 10.5cm NbW 35?
There are two possibilities — either it is 10cm Wgr.37 with about 1.250 kg of explosive:
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or it is 10cm Wgr.40 Spr. with 1.120 kg of secondary explosive + 0.0353 kg in primer charge.

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