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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by John T » 14 Feb 2016 18:33

Sturm78 wrote:
On the other hand, in https://digitaltmuseum.se, the photocaption identified this gun as a 76.2mm Bofors M28 model but here http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/AA_GUNS3.htm as a Bofors M27 model.... :?

Sturm78
Actually the text says Bofors model 1928
Your photo's little oval with a number "622" makes me think it's from a Bofors sales catalogue.

Bofors product name, and each buyer would have their own service names and with minor changes
so in Sweden we had almost same gun with different designations in Navy, coastal artillery and army.
I been a bit cautious to identify anything as Bofors had a bunch of 7 - 8 cm aa guns, almost a version every year.


In Swedish Service

75mm Case m/05: (603mm long)
M/15(Navy),
M/15-23(Navy),
M/26 (Navy),
M/27 (Coastal arty),
m/27 - 30 (Army),
M/28 (Navy) (Twin),
m/36(Army),
m/37(Army),

Case m/30 546mm
m/30 (Army),
m/30-37(Army) ,
m/30 S (Army),


80 mm
m/40 (8 cm Army - or rather Bofors own AA "home guard")


Plus all export sales in 75 , 76,2 and 80 mm
Plus different fire control equipment (makes me a bit dizzy anyway)

The thing I do know is that Swedish armed forces did never have a M/29 (contrary to Wikipedia's entry)

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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 14 Feb 2016 19:36

John wrote
Actually the text says Bofors model 1928
Your photo's little oval with a number "622" makes me think it's from a Bofors sales catalogue.

Bofors product name, and each buyer would have their own service names and with minor changes
so in Sweden we had almost same gun with different designations in Navy, coastal artillery and army.
I been a bit cautious to identify anything as Bofors had a bunch of 7 - 8 cm aa guns, almost a version every year.
Umhhh....Yes, it seems quite messy.... :?

Here, another example: this gun is named on https://digitaltmuseum.se photocaption as 8cm M25 and in http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/AA_GUNS3.htm as 76.2mm M28...... :?

For the Army only, in chronological order:

8cm Skoda M22 1-axle
8cm Bofors M25 or M28 ?? 1-axle
7.5cm Bofors M30 /M30S (Siam ??) 1-axle export version in 75/76.2/80mm as M29
7.5cm Bofors M30/37 ??? :? ?-axle Any information will be welcome... :?
7.5cm Bofors M36 static
7.5cm Bofors M37 2-axles
8cm Bofors M40 2-axles

10.5cm Bofos M42 2-axles Any information and/or wartime image will be welcome...

Image from https://digitaltmuseum.se
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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by JTV » 15 Feb 2016 18:56

Sturm78 wrote: Here, another example: this gun is named on https://digitaltmuseum.se photocaption as 8cm M25 and in http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/AA_GUNS3.htm as 76.2mm M28...... :?
Do not make the grave mistake to assume that Finnish military would have cared any about what model numbers foreign weapon manufacturers (or even domestic manufacturers in some cases) were using for their products. Finnish naming system system was such that usually the year model number was chosen depending when the particular item was first approved to Finnish use or first introduced to Finnish use - or when it was introduced or accepted to use of the military in that country from which originated - or in some cases the year number was presumably chosen just because they needed one and the particular chosen year had not been yet reserved for already existing equipment.

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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Feb 2016 12:18

Thanks for your comments, Jarkko...

I assume that the correct Bofors designation for the last AA gun is M25, therefore...

More questions about Swedish AA guns.
Why was introduced in service the 20mm Hispano-Suiza M41 AA gun if Swedish Army had the 20mm Bofors M40 gun ??

Here, an image from https://digitaltmuseum.se

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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by ludvig » 16 Feb 2016 19:05

Hello Sturm78 ,
Here is an list of AA used by the Swedish Army :
7,5 cm Lvk M/00- 17
7,5 cm Lvk M/18
7,5 cm Lvk M/27 -30
7,5 cm Lvk M/30
7,5 cm Lvl M/30 S ( Siam ) 9 x guns to Abo
7,5 cm Lvk M/30 - 37 ( for Iran )
7,5 cm Lvk M/36
7,5 cm Lvk M/37
8 cm Lvk fm /25
8 cm Lvk M /40 H ( for Holland )
9 cm Lvk fm/22
10,5 cm Lvk M/42

Lvk = luftvärnskanon = Antiaircraft gun
fm = forsökmodell = test gun

Sweden bought :
56 x 20 mm Lvk M/39 from Germany ( 2 cm Flak 30 )
400 x 20 mm Lvk M/41 from Switzerland ( Hispano - Suiza )
These were bought as stop - gaps before the production of 20 mm Lvk M/40 Bofors

ludvig

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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by John T » 16 Feb 2016 22:41

Sturm78 wrote:
More questions about Swedish AA guns.
Why was introduced in service the 20mm Hispano-Suiza M41 AA gun if Swedish Army had the 20mm Bofors M40 gun ??

Sturm78
The simple answer are availablity, in the summer of 1940 HS had lost access to her customers,
so the production line where idle and Sweden ordered a first batch of 100 guns in October 1940.
So HS delivered 20mm * 110 guns in parallel with Bofors delivered 20*145 .
And HS also produced 20*145mm ammo for Bofors 20mm (At least HE-rounds)

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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Feb 2016 10:51

ludvig wrote
Hello Sturm78 ,
Here is an list of AA used by the Swedish Army :
7,5 cm Lvk M/00- 17
7,5 cm Lvk M/18
7,5 cm Lvk M/27 -30
7,5 cm Lvk M/30
7,5 cm Lvl M/30 S ( Siam ) 9 x guns to Abo
7,5 cm Lvk M/30 - 37 ( for Iran )
7,5 cm Lvk M/36
7,5 cm Lvk M/37
8 cm Lvk fm /25
8 cm Lvk M /40 H ( for Holland )
9 cm Lvk fm/22
10,5 cm Lvk M/42
Thanks, ludvig.
I think 7.5cm Lvk M/30, M/30S and M/30-37 is basically the same model. Confiscated export guns for M/30S and M/30-37
About 8cm Lvk M/40H gun, I did not know that this gun was also a confiscated export gun model (for KNIL, I think) . Did not the Swedish Army any aditional order for this gun ??

About 10.5cm Lvk M/42, Do you have any additional information and/or wartime image?? Date, specifications, number manufactured,.....

ludvig wrote
Sweden bought :
56 x 20 mm Lvk M/39 from Germany ( 2 cm Flak 30 )
400 x 20 mm Lvk M/41 from Switzerland ( Hispano - Suiza )
These were bought as stop - gaps before the production of 20 mm Lvk M/40 Bofors
John wrote
The simple answer are availablity, in the summer of 1940 HS had lost access to her customers,
so the production line where idle and Sweden ordered a first batch of 100 guns in October 1940.
So HS delivered 20mm * 110 guns in parallel with Bofors delivered 20*145 .
And HS also produced 20*145mm ammo for Bofors 20mm (At least HE-rounds)
Thanks for your answers

Regards Sturm78

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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by ludvig » 17 Feb 2016 19:40

Hello Sturm78
19 x 7,5 cm Lvk M/30 is an mobile gun with two wheels

3 x 7,5 cm Lvk M /30S is an fixed gun , see

www.jaegerplatoon.net under 75 Itk/30 BK, Bofors , Siamilais - tykki

20 x 7,5 cm Lvk M 30 - 37 for Iran , mobile gun with four wheels

The Swedish did not order more of already confiscated eight 8 cm Lvk M/40 H

30 x 10,5 cm Lvk M /42 with four wheels used at air , land and sea targets :

http://www.tjelvar.se/vapen/4-10.htm

there are lot of photos of this gun on Internet

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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by karlik » 17 Feb 2016 22:38

ludvig wrote: Here is an list of AA used by the Swedish Army :
8 cm Lvk fm /25
9 cm Lvk fm/22
Hi!
8 cm Lvk fm /25 that's her?
https://digitaltmuseum.se/011023030954? ... 1925&pos=0

9 cm Lvk fm/22 Are there any information about her?

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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 18 Feb 2016 10:11

ludvig wrote
Hello Sturm78
19 x 7,5 cm Lvk M/30 is an mobile gun with two wheels

3 x 7,5 cm Lvk M /30S is an fixed gun , see

www.jaegerplatoon.net under 75 Itk/30 BK, Bofors , Siamilais - tykki

20 x 7,5 cm Lvk M 30 - 37 for Iran , mobile gun with four wheels

The Swedish did not order more of already confiscated eight 8 cm Lvk M/40 H

30 x 10,5 cm Lvk M /42 with four wheels used at air , land and sea targets :

http://www.tjelvar.se/vapen/4-10.htm

there are lot of photos of this gun on Internet
Thanks for your corrections, ludvig

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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by ludvig » 20 Feb 2016 19:07

Hello ,
Sveden bought only two 9 cm Lvk fm/22 from Skoda , have not seen any
photos of them .

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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 21 Feb 2016 09:31

Hi all,

Not exactly a gun question but....Does somebody know the exact purpose of these two devices associated with AA fire control ??
According tp photocaptions Kurs-Fart instrument m1939 and Centralinstrument m1933

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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by John T » 21 Feb 2016 11:03

ludvig wrote:Hello ,
Sveden bought only two 9 cm Lvk fm/22 from Skoda , have not seen any
photos of them .

ludvig
Hi

I'm a bit confused, Skoda 7.65cm in't that 8 cm Lvk fm/22 ?
http://www.tjelvar.se/beredsk/fp-18401.htm

That site say's four was bought.
8 cm Lvk fm /25 that's her?
https://digitaltmuseum.se/011023030954? ... 1925&pos=0
Then 7 cm Lvk m/24, was a coastal ary version of the navy's m/15
http://forum.skalman.nu/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=44058

But 8 cm fm/25 must also be some oddity.
( or error in caption)

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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by ludvig » 21 Feb 2016 14:01

Hello ,
From Herlitz :
8 x 8 cm ( 7,65 cm ) fm/22 Skoda mobile gun with two wooden wheels .
3 x 8 cm LvKan fM/22 at Visby see Danckwardt page 239
Two top cylinders above the gun barrel
Digitalmuseum have photos of gun c/n 5

2 x 8 cm fm/25 from Bofors moble gun with two wooden wheels and without
top cylinders , Digitaltmuseum have photos of gun c/n 1

2 x 9 cm fm /22 Skoda Mads homepages mentions 4x guns , but Herlitz says 2 x guns
The Skodas are true 9,00 cm .

Thanks for photo and link to 7,5 cm LvkKan M/24 from Lyseskil , that gun is a problem

ludvig

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Re: Swedish artillery

Post by ROLAND1369 » 23 Feb 2016 14:39

RE Sturm78 » 21 Feb 2016, 10:31. Judging from the construction of the devices I would say that the first machine is the Controller for an remote controlled searchlight. The second appears to be a director/predictor for AA guns. I emphasize that I have no documentation, I am only going by the construction and resemblance to similar devices with which I am acquainted.

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