nine million germans expelleds ?
nine million germans expelleds ?
The more than nine million Germans in East Prussia, Eastern Brandenburg, Eastern Pomerania, and Silesia would be moved to the four occupation zones of defeated rump-Germany
what is exact figure?medorjurgen can you provide some details
what is exact figure?medorjurgen can you provide some details
About 6 million Polish citizens(both Jews and Poles) lost their lives as a result of German actions.HETMAN wrote:I believe the figure was closer to 11 million. Some 2 million of these people were either murdered or died during the migration.
Oh well, that's what you get for voting the Nazis into power.
Oh well, that's what you get for twisting Hitler's nerves too much.
~Ovidius
Ovidius wrote:About 6 million Polish citizens(both Jews and Poles) lost their lives as a result of German actions.HETMAN wrote:I believe the figure was closer to 11 million. Some 2 million of these people were either murdered or died during the migration.
Oh well, that's what you get for voting the Nazis into power.
Oh well, that's what you get for twisting Hitler's nerves too much.
~Ovidius
These people who died didn't twist Hitler's nerves. And the Polish government that did wasn't voted into power. Try again Ovi.
Re: nine million germans expelleds ?
wildboar,wildboar wrote:The more than nine million Germans in East Prussia, Eastern Brandenburg, Eastern Pomerania, and Silesia would be moved to the four occupation zones of defeated rump-Germany
what is exact figure?medorjurgen can you provide some details
The Statistisches Bundesamt of West Germany prepared a detailed account of these horrors in 1958, the key data of which can be found in Gunnar Heinsohn's Lexikon der Völkermorde, published in 1998 by the Rowohlt Taschenbuch Verlag in Reinbek by Hamburg. They are reproduced hereafter:
Baltic Countries and Memel Territory
------------------------------------
Ethnic German population 1944/45: 256,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 256,000
Thereof killed during flight
or expulsion: 66,000
Yugoslavia
----------
Ethnic German population 1944/45: 550,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 523,000
Thereof killed during flight
or expulsion: 135,000
German Eastern territories (East Prussia, East Pomerania, East Brandenburg, Silesia, Danzig)
----------------------------------------------
Ethnic German population 1944/45: 10,000,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 7,400,000
Thereof killed during flight or
expulsion: 1,225,000
Poland
------
Ethnic German population 1944/45: 1,400,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 675,000
Thereof killed during flight
or expulsion: 263,000
Romania
-------
Ethnic German population 1944/45: 785,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 347,000
Thereof killed during flight
or expulsion: 101,000
Checoslovaquia
--------------
Ethnic German population 1944/45: 3,274,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 2,921,000
Thereof killed during flight
or expulsion: 238,000
Hungary
-------
Ethnic German population 1944/45: 597,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 259,000
Thereof killed during flight
or expulsion: 53,000
Total German Eastern territories and Eastern Europe
---------------------------------------------------
Ethnic German population 1944/45: 16,862,000
Thereof fled or expelled: 12,381,000
Thereof killed during flight
or expulsion: 2,081,000
These figures refer to the postwar period 1945-1950. During the war itself, according to Heinsohn's "Lexikon", ca. 1.1 million ethnic Germans from the above mentioned territories lost their lives, as members of the German armed forces, through the outrages of and on the flight from the conquering Red Army or through allied bombing. According a statement by the Bundesminister für Vertriebene in 1962, quoted by Heinsohn, there were 128,000 refugees from the Eastern territories among those killed by allied bombing in Germany.
Hitler was never elected into power.HETMAN wrote:I believe the figure was closer to 11 million. Some 2 million of these people were either murdered or died during the migration.
Oh well, that's what you get for voting the Nazis into power.
Also Hetman, why are you so racist against Germans? My goodness, all the Germans on these boards are anti-revisionist. One would think you could forgive something that happened before you were born.
Yes, I hate all Germans and I want them dead. Brilliant psycho-analysis. Well done.Rob S. wrote:Hitler was never elected into power.HETMAN wrote:I believe the figure was closer to 11 million. Some 2 million of these people were either murdered or died during the migration.
Oh well, that's what you get for voting the Nazis into power.
Also Hetman, why are you so racist against Germans? My goodness, all the Germans on these boards are anti-revisionist. One would think you could forgive something that happened before you were born.
Btw, do you have that info on Gdnask I asked you for? Thought not.
Hetman,Yes, I hate all Germans and I want them dead. Brilliant psycho-analysis. Well done.
Btw, do you have that info on Gdnask I asked you for? Thought not.
Rob may be dead wrong about you, but I see no reason to attack him instead of explaining why he's wrong. From what I've read of him, he seems to be quite a reasonable fellow.
Regards,
Roberto
nine million germans expelld
Numbers quoted from Richard Overy "Historical Atlas of the Third Reich"
a-Pre-war population
b-German war losses (includes losses during expulsion)
c-german population by 1950 still in the territory
d-Settled in FRG
e-Settled in GDR
f-Settled in Austria
Baltic States:
a-249500
b-65600
c-15000
d-109900
e-56900
Dantzig:
a-380000
b-111900
c-4000
d-230200
e-60600
Poland(pre-1939 frontiers):
a-1371000
b-293000
c-431000
d-419600
e-268400
Czechoslovakia:
a-3477000
b-446600
c-250000
d-1917800
e-1082000
Hungary:
a-623000
b-89000
c-270000
d-149500
f-103500
Romania:
a-786000
b-136000
c-400000
d-178200
f-34800
Yugoslavia:
a-536800
b-175800
c-82000
d-148000
f-149500
Eastern Germany:
Silesia:
a-4576500
b-727100
c-870000
d-2090000
e-1138600
East Brandenburg:
a-642000
b-214000
c-16000
d-152900
e-277100
East Pomerania:
a-1883700
b-461900
c-55000
d-922800
e-541800
East Prussia:
a-2473000
b-489400
c-160000
d-1375500
e-608900
As it can be seen these numbers are still incomplete. For instance it is well known that some people from Czechoslovakia took refuge in Austria. How many?
Some others (from all the territories) were settled in the USA, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Australia,.... Again Mr Overy doesn't tell us.
It is difficult to understand from Mr. Overy if Memel is included in East Prussia or in the Baltic States.
Some germans from the western territories of the USSR might have avoided the transfer to Siberia and Central Asia in 1941. How many of them took refuge in post-war Germany, Austria or the Americas? ( There were for instance 400000 germans in the Ukraine SSR prior to 1939)
A lot of POW settled in the countries where they had been retained. How many and in which countries he doesn't tell us.
Finally some germans civilians from Romania, Hungary and other territories were taken by the soviets during the period 1944/1950 to the USSR. It seems that Mr. Overy didn't took notice of this either.
Anyone in this forum available to give me some answers?
a-Pre-war population
b-German war losses (includes losses during expulsion)
c-german population by 1950 still in the territory
d-Settled in FRG
e-Settled in GDR
f-Settled in Austria
Baltic States:
a-249500
b-65600
c-15000
d-109900
e-56900
Dantzig:
a-380000
b-111900
c-4000
d-230200
e-60600
Poland(pre-1939 frontiers):
a-1371000
b-293000
c-431000
d-419600
e-268400
Czechoslovakia:
a-3477000
b-446600
c-250000
d-1917800
e-1082000
Hungary:
a-623000
b-89000
c-270000
d-149500
f-103500
Romania:
a-786000
b-136000
c-400000
d-178200
f-34800
Yugoslavia:
a-536800
b-175800
c-82000
d-148000
f-149500
Eastern Germany:
Silesia:
a-4576500
b-727100
c-870000
d-2090000
e-1138600
East Brandenburg:
a-642000
b-214000
c-16000
d-152900
e-277100
East Pomerania:
a-1883700
b-461900
c-55000
d-922800
e-541800
East Prussia:
a-2473000
b-489400
c-160000
d-1375500
e-608900
As it can be seen these numbers are still incomplete. For instance it is well known that some people from Czechoslovakia took refuge in Austria. How many?
Some others (from all the territories) were settled in the USA, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Australia,.... Again Mr Overy doesn't tell us.
It is difficult to understand from Mr. Overy if Memel is included in East Prussia or in the Baltic States.
Some germans from the western territories of the USSR might have avoided the transfer to Siberia and Central Asia in 1941. How many of them took refuge in post-war Germany, Austria or the Americas? ( There were for instance 400000 germans in the Ukraine SSR prior to 1939)
A lot of POW settled in the countries where they had been retained. How many and in which countries he doesn't tell us.
Finally some germans civilians from Romania, Hungary and other territories were taken by the soviets during the period 1944/1950 to the USSR. It seems that Mr. Overy didn't took notice of this either.
Anyone in this forum available to give me some answers?
Ovidius wrote:And of course, one can say this on the forum and his message is not deleted, neither is he threatened with banning. After all, the Germans are just "Nazi" scum, isn't it, Mr. Steven Spielberg?HETMAN wrote:Yes, I hate all Germans and I want them dead.
~Ovidius
Well I hope you didn't lose any beauty sleep over that Ovidius, because I was being sarcastic.
Well, if you add "Brilliant psycho-analysis. Well done." to the above quote of mine, I think that constitues sarcasm. As in, I'm saying your psycho-analysis was crap, by praising it way too much.Rob S. wrote:Some 2 million of these people were either murdered or died during the migration.
Oh well, that's what you get for voting the Nazis into power.You'll have to forgive me but I missed the sarcasm.Yes, I hate all Germans and I want them dead.
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