Armored Train,Manchuria?
Armored Train,Manchuria?
From ebay,seller csqmac.
I assume this is in Manchuria,note White Russian on left.
I assume this is in Manchuria,note White Russian on left.
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Re: Armored Train,Manchuria?
I love these kinds of armored train photos! Its like something out of science fiction.
I would think that it would be Manchuria, just a guess.
I would think that it would be Manchuria, just a guess.
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It was not Manchuria, but Siberia. The armored train is Russian "Zaamuret", later Czech "Orlik".
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Re: Armored Train,Manchuria?
So this is from the period of the Japanese intervention in the Russian civil war, Hense the Japanese officers with the White Russian officer.From forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=97842 "During the Civil War the Zaamuret was first used by the Reds, and then captured by The Czech Legion in in Simbirsk on 22 July 1918. It was then a part of the Bolshevik armored train No. 4, Polupanov. The Czechs renamed this armored train Orlik."
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From the “Something different” thread:
How was it to be used? It gives the impression of an improvised mobile pillbox, which the engine could leave behind for a time wherever needed. Although maybe not on the tracks of busy rail lines.
-- Alan
Another sort of armored car, while on the subject.Peter H wrote:
How was it to be used? It gives the impression of an improvised mobile pillbox, which the engine could leave behind for a time wherever needed. Although maybe not on the tracks of busy rail lines.
- Presumably there are MG ports on all four slopes. There seems to be a man looking out from under the raised roof plate.
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Re: Armored Train,Manchuria?
Hello,
As concerns Manchuria later (I don't know about Siberia in the revolutionary period):
I may be wrong, but I doubt if Mantetsu/SMR built them or operated them, but they would have asked for them, or contracted for them, and the Kantogun would have probably operated them. So, in the end it's much the same thing, I guess. Needless to say the SMR & Kantogun were intimately allied in almost all such military activities. And the Kantogun's raison d'etre was (ostensibly, and more) centered on protecting SMR interests, of course.
I don't know if Kantogun was really SMR's private security force, but perhaps not far from it. SMR railway security issues allowed Kantogun expansion into more of Manchuria, though--and in turn drove the expansion of rail lines to support the army...A wonderful symbiotic relationship!
As concerns Manchuria later (I don't know about Siberia in the revolutionary period):
I may be wrong, but I doubt if Mantetsu/SMR built them or operated them, but they would have asked for them, or contracted for them, and the Kantogun would have probably operated them. So, in the end it's much the same thing, I guess. Needless to say the SMR & Kantogun were intimately allied in almost all such military activities. And the Kantogun's raison d'etre was (ostensibly, and more) centered on protecting SMR interests, of course.
I don't know if Kantogun was really SMR's private security force, but perhaps not far from it. SMR railway security issues allowed Kantogun expansion into more of Manchuria, though--and in turn drove the expansion of rail lines to support the army...A wonderful symbiotic relationship!
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Re: Armored Train,Manchuria?
Thanks for the pictures all I had was this.............
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Move photos of 'Orlik'.
From ebay,seller gerard_oranda.
From ebay,seller gerard_oranda.
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Here is a small image from an old ebay auction from seller "bannjyou".
It seems to be the same location as all the other photos.
It seems to be the same location as all the other photos.
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Re: Armored Train,Manchuria?
white caption says the armored car was destroyed in 22 Aug at シマコーコフ. It seems Shmakovka, in Primorsky Krai.
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Thanks hisashi!