Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
Well, that settles that Thanks Snautzer! A few inches from the main flaps, then....
Do you happen to know when that configuration came into play? Or was it the original layout from the very first /3mge versions?
Do you happen to know when that configuration came into play? Or was it the original layout from the very first /3mge versions?
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
...which is slightly smaller than Nowarra's figure of 19.6 m3.Cargo hold - the text uses the term 'Hauptnutzraum', or 'main utility space' so presumably the 19.3 cubic meters apply to the entire cargo hold area.
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
gun weights 830 kg with that kind of weight you have to take centre of gravity in account. with 2 of those guns it would make it too dangerous. Not the weight itself but the distribution of it.phylo_roadking wrote:Sorry, I've just scrubbed that, having a brainstorm!
You'd need to check that the aircraft physically could accomodate two or more 38s...
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That's a good pont! I'd figured out the weight distribution bit, but didn't cotton on to the C-o-G issue.
Although - if you could stable a horse (approx. 450 Kgs) in the rear portion of the aircraft...
Does your paperwork say anything else about lading factors etc? I'm presuming there was some way of re-trimming the aircraft for problems like this...?
Although - if you could stable a horse (approx. 450 Kgs) in the rear portion of the aircraft...
Does your paperwork say anything else about lading factors etc? I'm presuming there was some way of re-trimming the aircraft for problems like this...?
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
original layoutphylo_roadking wrote:Well, that settles that Thanks Snautzer! A few inches from the main flaps, then....
Do you happen to know when that configuration came into play? Or was it the original layout from the very first /3mge versions?
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
weight of the gun is centred between the wheels. horse is spread over its 4 legs. Although i do not think it would have been a big horse as the cargo doors are not that big.phylo_roadking wrote: Although - if you could stable a horse (approx. 450 Kgs) in the rear portion of the aircraft...
Germans had a simple solution for guns. see pic. Strap it under
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
...but if you look closely ( and noting Jon's earlier comments) that's for paradropping, you can see the bundled parachute. I guess using the same mounts as paradropped supply containers.Germans had a simple solution for guns. see pic. Strap it under
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
Point is that if it didnt fit inside .......later on the did the Dobbas cargo container (also on other airframes) as a more Ikea kind of solution
text belonging to the pic note the "sometimes"remark
text belonging to the pic note the "sometimes"remark
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
I'm not sure if it's a case of it not fitting inside - the leichtgeshutz 10.5 cm LG 42 recoiless would have fitted inside, no problem....quite titchy, actually -
...but it would have been a bugger getting it back out again in mid-air to paradrop! It was after all just an upgrade of the 75mm LG 40....which the FJ had dropped and used on Crete.
...but it would have been a bugger getting it back out again in mid-air to paradrop! It was after all just an upgrade of the 75mm LG 40....which the FJ had dropped and used on Crete.
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
Jon - I've got to the bottom of the missing fuselage auxiliary...Vom Original zum Modell: Junkers Ju 52 p 24, by Erfurth & Miertsch
From the Zivilversionen edition of the same book...the fuel system for the Ju52/3m Note tank number 5! I presume it was deleted in the first /3mg3es of 1935....for the bomb cells?
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
Phylo, tank #5 is the lubricant tank.
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
Jon, I don't think so - the disgram is specifically titled "Kraftstoff..." - "fuel"
Tank number 5 also plumbs into the rest of the fuel system at Point 11. - "valve assembly"...so unless the BMW 132 has suddenly become a two-stroke....
Its "50L" is also counted into the "zus. 2450L" fuel tankage total there...(I presume "zus." is short for "zusammen")
Tank number 5 also plumbs into the rest of the fuel system at Point 11. - "valve assembly"...so unless the BMW 132 has suddenly become a two-stroke....
Its "50L" is also counted into the "zus. 2450L" fuel tankage total there...(I presume "zus." is short for "zusammen")
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
Right, upon closer study of your scan, tank #5 reads as a 'Fallbehälter', or waste tank, rated at 50 liters. and connected to the fuselage-mounted hand pump.
That doesn't make it a fuel cell, though, missing or otherwise.
That doesn't make it a fuel cell, though, missing or otherwise.
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
Except, as I noted while you were posting - its 50 litres is counted into the 2450 litres total fuel capacity on that diagram.That doesn't make it a fuel cell, though, missing or otherwise.
I know it's only Yahoo babelfish - but there, Fallbehälter tanslates as "Gravity feed tank". From Nowarra, for the Ju52-3mge -
P.188Fuel storage: 4 tanks in each of the outer wings; 1 gravity tank in the fuselage
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Re: Ju 52/3M payload/range charts
Tank capacity, not 'fuel' capacity. Note that other specs - including the scans provided by Snautzer05 - give Ju-52 fuel capacity as 2,400 litres, coinciding neatly with the total storage of the wing tanks.
Since we already are splitting hairs, and since no-one but you has been looking for a fuselage fuel tank, perhaps you could tell us what the deletion of a 50 l. waste tank, apparently located in the cockpit, would mean for a/overall carrying capacity of the Ju-52, and b/overall range of the Ju-52?
Since we already are splitting hairs, and since no-one but you has been looking for a fuselage fuel tank, perhaps you could tell us what the deletion of a 50 l. waste tank, apparently located in the cockpit, would mean for a/overall carrying capacity of the Ju-52, and b/overall range of the Ju-52?