Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

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Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by vladalex » 23 Nov 2011 15:32

Hello,
Anyone can help me examining this pictures ?
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Re: Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by ludvig » 25 Nov 2011 19:53

Hello ,
Your gun is a :
10,5 cm S.K.C/32 n s in 10,5 cm M.P.L.C/32 g.E. Schützschild
Finland received :
2 ? guns for the Finnish gunboats Uusimaa and Hämeenmaa , later
these guns were exhibited at :

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Categ ... rpin_Tykit

Later around 1953 Finland salvaged 7 x 10,5 cm S.K.C/32 from the sunken
Flakschiff Niobe , some of these guns for used training later .

Box no 1 : forward of the trunnions is the loading motor , fixed to the gun barrel
Box no 2 : unknown Finnish modification ??? fixed to the roof panel

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Re: Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by vladalex » 25 Nov 2011 20:26

Hello Ludwig,
Your response delight me.
Before receiving this response I made a hypothesis on a piece of paper and , your response
tell me that I'm right .
I attach this work.
I do not know the difference between barells, recoil cylinders and some types of dampers, applied to :
10,5cm S.K. C 32
10,5cm S.K. C 32 L
10,5cm S.K. C 32 nL
10,5cm S.K. C 32 ns
Can you help me in this quiz ?
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Re: Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by ludvig » 27 Nov 2011 09:48

Hello ,
A) your photo + drawing shows the " new " 10,5 cm S.K.C/32 n S not the 10,5 cm S.K.C/32 L
n = neuer Rohraufbau = built - up gun barrel constrution with a " Spannmutter " The older
10,5 cm S.K.C/32 are monoblock barreles as in 8,8 cm Flak 18 .

B) L = Ladevorrictung = semi - automatic breech lever mounted at the left of breech
S = selbtspannender = semi - automatic cooking device ???

C) 10,5 cm M.P.L.C/ 32 g E = elavation - |0 to + 70 , but the 8.8 cm M.P.L.C/30
= elevation - 9 to + 79
D)Qiuz :
1) loading engine
2) horisontal drive shaft
3) worm gear, transfer between the horisontal drive shaft and verical drive shaft
4 ) box no 2 ???

E) You can still buy the French book :
Patrick Toussaint -Alain Chazette : Les pieces de 10,5 cm S.K.C/32 et
S.K.C/33 ( twins ) de la Kriegsmarine

F) the 10,5 cm S.K.C/32 is not a single gun , more guns to fire 10,5 cm S.K.C/32 shells - -

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ludvig

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Re: Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by vladalex » 27 Nov 2011 20:39

Hello,
Thank you for your competent and quicly response.
Best regards,
VladAlex.

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Re: Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by vladalex » 29 Nov 2011 20:06

Hello,
If someone examine the drawings and the pictures, the results are a variety
of protecting shields for the 10,5cm S.K.C 31-33's mount on Doppellafette.
Have these turetts, names or specific codes for identification each of them ?
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Re: Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by Schorschl » 30 Nov 2011 21:00

Hello VladAlex,

there are four variants of the mount of the 10,5 cm S.K. C/33 in the German navy. The twin 10,5 cm mounts were a conversation of the existing 8,8 cm mount C/31. They carried the following designations (with your numbers, but in chronological order):

No. 4: 8,8 cm-Dopp.L. C/31 (each three of this mounts aboard the CAs LÜTZOW (ex DEUTSCHLAND) with 10,5 cm S.K. C/33 from the middle of 1940, prior to this with 8,8 cm S.K. C/31 in the same mounts, ADMIRAL GRAF SPEE with 10,5 cm S.K. C/33 from the outset and ADMIRAL SCHEER with 10,5 cm S.K. C/33 from the middle of 1940)

No. 3: 8,8 cm-Dopp.L. C/31 gE (each seven of these mounts were fitted aboard the BB/BCs SCHARNHORST and GNEISENAU)

No. 2: 8,8 cm-Dopp.L. C/31 d (each six mounts were fitted aboard the CAs ADMIRAL HIPPER, BLÜCHER and PRINZ EUGEN, four mounts aboard the BB BISMARCK, probably two mounts aboard the submarine tenders OTTO WÜNSCHE, WALTER KOPHAMEL and WILHELM BAUER)

No. 1: 10,5 cm-Dopp.L. C/37 (each four were fitted aboard the BBs BISMARCK and eight aboard the TIRPITZ)

No. 5: 8,8 cm-Dopp.L. C/31 d (only with more details than No. 2)

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Re: Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by vladalex » 01 Dec 2011 13:12

Hello Schorschl,
Thank you for the response that put in time the developing of this type of mounts.
All research for this kind of mountings was'nt started from the practicall experience
on using the "older" 8,8 cm Dopp.L. C 25 ?
And a last question, that surpresss me : at which variant of mounting was applied for
the first time 3D stabilization or " stabilisierten Leitstand-SL " ?
Thank you in advance and ,
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Re: Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by Schorschl » 02 Dec 2011 20:01

Hello VladAlex,

only aboard the CL KÖLN two 8,8 cm S.K. C/25 in Dopp.L. C/25 were tested. However the low alignment speed and the strong oscillations at firing were criticized. The large distance between the axes of the barrels (2200 mm) was the reason of these oscillations. As replacement the 8,8 cm S.K. C/31 in 8,8 cm-Dopp.L. C/31 was constructed.

The 8,8 cm S.K. C/31 in 8,8 cm-Dopp.L. C/31 at the CA DEUTSCHLAND got there data from two stabilized control stations SL-2, which were built in in the year 1935 beside the fighting mast. ADMIRAL SCHEER and ADMIRAL GRAF SPEE had each two SL-4 beside the forward and one at the after superstructure. The CLs KÖNIGSBERG, KÖLN, KARLSRUHE, LEIPZIG and NÜRNBERG had each one SL-1 at the after superstructure since 1935/36. At these cruisers slightly improved 8,8 cm S.K. C/32 AA-guns in 8,8 cm Dopp.L. C/32 were built in.

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Re: Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by vladalex » 03 Dec 2011 13:23

Hello Schorschl,
Thank you for important information and profesional response.
Only few man understand what mean this "huge" distance between barrels combined with shock of the shield movement on barell-muzzle, all amplified by the barrrel-lenght.
I find on the forum my "old question" posted by other member , and I think that's usefull to put the link here :
viewtopic.php?f=70&t=183961
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Re: Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by vladalex » 05 Dec 2011 19:33

Hello everybody,
I find new pictures, that show my first question about "gun with box"
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Re: Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by vladalex » 05 Dec 2011 19:36

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Re: Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by Maurice Laarman » 05 Dec 2011 22:00

Here another photo from a 10,5 cm L/45 C/32, on Torpedoboot T-3.

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Maurice
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Re: Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by vladalex » 06 Dec 2011 09:28

Thank you Maurice,
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Re: Id. help on 10,5 cm S.K.C/32

Post by vladalex » 06 Dec 2011 19:01

Hello for all,
Now I post another short quizz for gun-lovers .
- Atach near the each number: barell calibre, barell length (in cal.),
gun type (SK,UTOF,a.s.o.), lafette type, building year of lafette
and any index or signs that can make difference between (if was
used) this guns.
1:
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